Thought it was about time I got some pictures on here of my own little project.
I got my 58 beetle last year, a 58 delux model 38k in first paint all original.
It was a little grubby having been spent the last 15 years in a garage, It also had done battle with a previous owners gate posts due to failing eye sight resulting in a couple of minor dings to the wings.
The plan. Strip it down repair the dents and repaint in original colour then rebuild with new rubbers / felts, a bit of re chroming. Keeping as much as original as possible.
When I say the car is original...... I think you will agree there can't be many around these days that look like this after you clean of the under seal :D
Posted by: harveypj - 31 March 2008 19:28:09
All the inner wings and seals look the same, protected for 50 years by the 'Zibart' (think thats how it's spent) [ATTACH]535[/Attach]
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Posted by: mrsherbie - 31 March 2008 19:44:47
Yes you are right you dont see og paint and inner wings like that very often at all :shock:
I removed nasty thick underseal from Owens brown split and it was shiny under there (not nearly as perfect as yours though!) but the only problem is that once you have done it and marveled for ages at how lovely it is :wink: you then get left with the decision whether to wax under there every now and then........forever :lol: or enjoy it for a few years and then maybe waxoyl? I am thinking of doing that after a year or 2 more?
I must admit I have been looking at your avatar for a while wondering.. capri, fjord?? But you look metallic? its a nice colour, what is it? Are you taking it to Stanford Hall?
And you have got a Harlequin polo!!! I always wanted one of those! :D
Posted by: harveypj - 31 March 2008 20:40:40
The colour is L334 Glacier blue metalic (in German it apears a Firn Blu)
mine has actualy got darker and gone rather flat with age. The car is fully stripped now and the true colour is evident on the dash board, under the chrome and number plate etc.
My friend who is doing the paint for me has managed to get the correct formulatd paint from his supplier. It took them a while but the paint is a super match to the dash that will remain original.
Early metalics are a strange finish, lok a bit lke a very fine 'hamerite' finish, no where near as sparkly as modern paint. That was our main concern when originaly ordering.
My plan was to have the car done for Stanford hall but I'm behind schedule :cry: so my absolute must is to be ready for Lavenham. :D
The Harlequin :D :D :D , is my wifes car, it was originaly the VW press car. We got it nearly 5 years ago with just 6 1/2k on the clock.
It featured with my MK2 GTI in VW motoring a few years back.
With the arrival of the Bug displacing my golf from its garage, I'm going to have to draft the golf into daily use (it can't stay in my mates garage for ever :( ). Owning a Passat as well somethings got to give.
So yep the Harlequin is up for grabs, I've been planning to prep it ready to advertise this spring at the shows etc.
I digress, but as you mentioned it.
Posted by: mrsherbie - 31 March 2008 23:29:39
[quote="harveypj"]The colour is L334 Glacier blue metalic (in German it apears a Firn Blu)[/quote]
(In a Poirot voice) [i]"AHA, so it IS one of those very unusual '58 only colours just as I suspected!"[/i]
:lol:
i dont think I have seen a beetle in that colour before :D
I always think it is nice to see the new paint on the outside but original dash, even if there is a difference in shade, its part of the cars life story.
[quote="harveypj"]With the arrival of the Bug displacing my golf from its garage
[/quote]
Top quote
:lol:
Dont even tempt me with that Polo!*! my own old polo(derby shape) is being collected this week as a reluctant sale :( but I know I am never going to get round to using it again. (Well thats what my partner keeps telling me? hmm... although he has still got his equally unused Audi Quattro :? I think he has got one over on me?! :lol: ) But my Bini is just too good as a daily to lose it.
But Hey if we start gossiping about 80's water power Rob will reach out from our screens ('The Ring' style) and chop our fingers off! :lol:
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(Not really Rob :beer: :D )
[i](Ok, maybe just my fingers then, but I know I usually deserve it :lol: )[/i]
Posted by: harveypj - 31 March 2008 23:49:14
[quote="mrsherbie"]i dont think I have seen a beetle in that colour before :D[/quote]
A couple of people have said that now, thats pretty cool :)
Its always nice to have somthing a litle unusual.
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 04 April 2008 19:23:23
That's a beauty. How, where and when did you find it? Do you have any pictures before you started stripping it down?
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 04 April 2008 19:25:40
[quote="Rich Oakley"]That's a beauty. How, where and when did you find it? Do you have any pictures before you started stripping it down?
[/quote]
Ignore my questions- just bee reading your other posts. I was so tempted to bid on that car!!
I also used to own an August '57 Glacier Blue, low mileage car. It was a Swedish import with 50k KMs on the clock.
Posted by: JD - 04 April 2008 21:23:35
Wow! I'm always blown away when a car this nice turns up in the UK. Just when you start to think all the nice ones are long gone... 8)
Posted by: '50 Karmann - 04 April 2008 21:40:57
Speacial car - the condition of the inner wings is incredible.
Posted by: harveypj - 04 April 2008 22:29:51
Thanks Guys,
I'll sort out some more photo's soon, I'm in the process of rubbing down the body at the mo. It realy is in incredable condition.
The wings have all been blasted and the minor dents removed, which is great as they are the originals.
Also in the process of putting the engine back together after a strip down for a clean up and to replace all the gaskets.
(did not split the case or remove the heads0 the most intrusive job probably being replacing the rear crank seal. I'll fit a new clutch as well.
I'm getting Pete at 'Cogbox to referb the gearbox, as reverse had a tendancy to jump out and first was a bit noisy. He also does a small mod to stop the normal split box oil drip.
(the little clusters of welding on the wings are where retro fitted indicators were once located, I will not be re fitting them so had the screw holes gas welded)
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Posted by: RockStock - 11 April 2008 20:26:11
[quote="harveypj"]The plan. Strip it down repair the dents and repaint in original colour then rebuild with new rubbers / felts, a bit of re chroming. Keeping as much as original as possible[/quote]
you're mad to repaint that car!
or replace some of the og bits!
step away from the bodywork! & sell it to me!
i had a similar car in 1989, a 1961
English car, RHD, og paint (Ruby Red), og bumpers, og interior, og running boards, og window trim, og wheel paint....
the inner wings had a protective black coat on them, with shiny ruby red underneath...
wings were the only bodywork dented, just like yours
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Oh, & I repainted her! Cos she had a couple of chips on the door edges/on the bonnet, & she wasn't shiny (enough)! :roll:
Posted by: '50 Karmann - 11 April 2008 20:53:44
[quote="RockStock"][quote="harveypj"]The plan. Strip it down repair the dents and repaint in original colour then rebuild with new rubbers / felts, a bit of re chroming. Keeping as much as original as possible[/quote]
you're mad to repaint that car!
or replace some of the og bits!
step away from the bodywork! & sell it to me!
i had a similar car in 1989, a 1961
English car, RHD, og paint (Ruby Red), og bumpers, og interior, og running boards, og window trim, og wheel paint....
the inner wings had a protective black coat on them, with shiny ruby red underneath...
wings were the only bodywork dented, just like yours
[img]https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/RockStock/d3aa4e1e.jpg[/img]
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[img]https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/RockStock/291ad500.jpg[/img]
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Oh, & I repainted her! Cos she had a couple of chips on the door edges/on the bonnet, & she wasn't shiny (enough)! :roll: [/quote]
Well i thought it and somebody else said it,totally agree Rock Stock.
There is no substitute for original.
100 point resto cars are beautiful,but that original car with 50 years of patina,will always be the best.
Posted by: harveypj - 11 April 2008 22:45:35
:o :oops: :? :shock:
I agree, I would love to have left it as I found it, I'm not after a super shiny concours car. The dents I could have lived with. Unfortunantly early metalic paint does not have the same longtivity as the solid colours.
The laquer goes very flat (that I can live with, gives that lovely old patina)
but it also goes porous. Mine had done just that, when it got wet the paint got a lot darker as the moisture actualy soaked in to it, and would take seveal hours to dry out again :(
Not realy visible on the photos, but there was a lot of 'speckling' on the doors, rear quaters and on the sides of the roof.
On rubbing down the car the tiny specs turned into little 'rust worms' under the primer coat.
If I had done nothing my car would have slowly but surly deteriated.
I could not let this happen.
So I decided to repaint it, all the interior will remain original, headlining, carpet, seats, dash paint etc etc.
All the original exterior trim will go back on along with the running board etc.
I want to use my car regularly so a new durable coat of carefuly matched paint seemed like the right thing to do.
I would not realy call it a restoration (hense the title of this post) but if left it would have eventualy needed one.
Posted by: RockStock - 12 April 2008 00:37:36
[quote="harveypj"]if left it would have eventualy needed one[/quote]
Yes, 2108
MAD
You're on the road to taking it from a car I'd look at at a show, to one I probably wouldn't
You'll be eradicating most of its best feature
Posted by: harveypj - 12 April 2008 01:00:41
preservation not restoration
Posted by: harveypj - 16 April 2008 00:35:06
Well, having removed all of my car's best feature, the under paint rusting :?
Here's how it looked this afternoon. Ready for priming that should if all went well have been done shortly after I left it.
After sanding and playing with my new grit blasting toy (great thing :D I got it from 'Machine Mart along with a 7.5Kg bucket of 80 grade grit for the grand old sum of £32. worth that alone just to get into the rear air grill) I treated the entire shell with 'por - metal ready'. If your not familiar it neutralises/disolves any iron oxide and etches the surface and leaves a coating of zinc sulphate.
All going well I will be flatting of over the next couple of days ready for top coat early next week :) [ATTACH]539[/Attach]
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rust free [ATTACH]540[/Attach]
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This is what greeted me this morning :) [ATTACH]541[/Attach]
Posted by: harveypj - 16 April 2008 23:23:05
First thing to do was add a guide coat before starting the wet flatting.
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Posted by: Standard split - 18 April 2008 21:50:49
I've Just seen this whole thing on this '58 :!:
The car is (was) incredible. It was a car I would go straight over to and want to buy at any cost.
I'm sorry, but a repaint on a car like that is a mistake :!:
Though not restored, it will look more like any other less interesting (well to me) restored Beetle. Cars aged 50+ wearing their original paint are so rare and of course cannot be replaced. 1958 is one of the best Beetle years, and this car has the nicest colour too.
I have a 1949 Beetle that's never had a respray. The paint is far from perfect, but at 59 years old it wears its original paint with pride. It looks a survivor car, I don't think this '58 will now.
Re paints are a risk any way. They are never as good as the factory dipped high bake finish. There is always the risk of problems developing in the future with a respray. These things have happened to me in the past, and I have regretted resprays.
Anyway its been repainted now, a shame I think :cry:
Posted by: harveypj - 19 April 2008 23:07:52
Believe me guys, I thought long and hard about this. I am a real die hard purist when it comes to my cars, the more original the better, with that I could not agree more. I would have loved to keep the car in it's og paint. I know how special that is on a car of this age, but as I mentoned earlier I want to use my car when ever I can and plan to keep it for the long term.
I'd rather replace the paint now and avoid having to start making more intrusive repairs in the future. The photos I originaly posted are kind to the car, yes it is in amaizing condition.....for a 50 year old car, the photos do not show where the car is starting to show signs of its age. the paint was no longer water proof. the original steel had already started pitting under the original paint. I managed to rub most of these out. In a few years time with regular use this would have only got worse, then the first pin hole appears, then the first bit of welding is needed now my car is not strucurly 100% original and a local paint repair needed anyway.
I think it is a topic that will never realy have a right or wrong answer, yes my dream car would be 100% original rock solid complete with og paint, second choice never welded and rock solid.
I know I can have second choice, but risk having neither if I had left alone.
The pitting appeared alot wore once rubbed back to the steel than it does here.
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Posted by: pre67vw - 20 April 2008 00:51:25
at what point do you give up on OG paint? (especially the early metalics that weren't very good)
[img]https://www.pre67vw.com/shows/photos/National_Volksworld_Show_2008/IMG_4904.jpg[/img]
Yes, original paint is nice - but would you be prepared to see your car rust away in front of your eyes?
Posted by: JD - 20 April 2008 15:20:43
Wow - a respray! :shock:
Like you say, its a shame, but I suppose it needed to be done. I'm guessing that all was not as well as it appeared in the photos either. I was kind of wondering of it could have been clearcoated, but its kind of a moot point now.
I'm sure it'll look great when its done. Much more like it did when new in fact.
8)
Posted by: harveypj - 20 April 2008 20:51:49
Clearcoating is kind of 1/2 a respray anyway, it would have made for a shiny finish on an old weathered base which I thought personaly would have looked odd. Besides which, would you normaly respray over rust and not expect it to re-appear?
As you say, its all a bit trivial now anyway.
The top coat is schedualed for Tuesday afternoon, I'll post some pics.
Posted by: JD - 20 April 2008 22:53:02
You are right - clearcoating would probably not have helped.
I look forward to the pics anyway.
Posted by: RockStock - 21 April 2008 21:09:29
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Posted by: harveypj - 25 April 2008 00:19:55
All went well and the body was painted on Tuesday, I'm very pleased with the result, Martin (my painter friend) thined the laquer a little more than he does for more modern cars so he could achieve a more authentic depth and texture to the final finish. No machine polishing was required either (as to plan). The colour is also a good match. The pictures show the new paint compaired to the best bits of original (decklid protected by the no plate and the ash tray). The paint is 'ici' and mixed to the original formula the laqure is by 'Glacurit'.
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:)
The doors, wings etc are planned in the next week or so.
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Posted by: JD - 25 April 2008 09:25:56
Nice! 8) :D
Posted by: mrsherbie - 28 April 2008 21:55:52
I must admit I was pretty shocked when I realised that you had repainted this car! As said above, it is the difference between a car I would home in on at a show for a good look regardless of condition.
My new original paint car is just 3-4yrs behind yours and my paint is no where near as good as yours was but still I feel well worthy of being maintained/preserved original. But I will admit that mine will rarely even go outdoors ( I am very happy just owning it in my garage! :lol: )
So given that you plan to use yours a bit, a new coat of paint is fine. Although my only observation about bare metalling a car on which vw factory paint has lasted 50yrs already is that no repaint will ever be as hardy or last as long as that 50's original paint. The factory process/dipping etc just cannot be recreated as well. Usually most people are lucky if a repaint lasts 15years before blemishes start appearing. Usually less.
I do appreciate what you mean about metallics going flat, 'rough' & porous though.
but hey, the car is looking pretty good again so far.
The colour match looks super! I think your painter has done a great job with matching such an odd and difficult colour!
:D
Posted by: harveypj - 29 April 2008 18:34:45
[quote="mrsherbie"] Although my only observation about bare metalling a car on which vw factory paint has lasted 50yrs already is that no repaint will ever be as hardy or last as long as that 50's original paint.
:D [/quote]
I did not have a lot of option realy, I had to to remove the rust spots. You'll notice I did not go to bare metal on the inner wings as there was no rust there and I have not on the bonnet either. As I have mentioned before the rust 'speckling' on the surface ended up looking like little brown worms under the under coat :( , This had affected most of the bodywork. Probably as a result of standing in an old garage for the last 15 years. If the car had none of this I would not have re painted it in the first place, I was not bothered about the dents and dull paint, I liked it.
The gearbox is with Pete at 'Cogbox' now should be done midle of next week. (That had to be done as reversing was a problem)
I'm on schedual to have the car back on he road for begining of June.
It's first major outing will be Lavenham, can't wait :)
It will be great to meet all you guys there (I asume most of you will be there)
Posted by: JD - 10 May 2008 14:17:25
Any more photos? :)
Posted by: harveypj - 10 May 2008 14:59:16
I'll sort some more out. Its in a mechanic friends workshop at the mo.
I pick the gearbox up on Monday, I've finnished putting the engine back together so will take that to the workshop on Monday as well so they can go in together, then I can get her back home in my garage for the refit :D :D Thats going to be fun, Every thing I took of has all been cleaned and ready to go back on. I've even brushed and oiled all the original nuts, bolts and washers. There not perfect but it got rid of all the old road grot and snot. I don't want new shiny ones although I might use some stainless to fix the running boards back on, you cannot realy see them and it may help protect the seals. not decided yet.
I took the opertunity to re 'Waxoyl' the underside while the running gear is removed. (great stuff waxoyl), must remember to do under the running board covers before I refit them to the car.
Posted by: JD - 10 May 2008 22:29:18
Good stuff - glad its coming together OK.
Posted by: harveypj - 24 May 2008 21:28:05
The refit is going well, starting to look like a car again.
The wheels look superb with the new crossplies fitted. :D
With the help of my two youngsters Bethany and Luke, We fitted the Glass today.
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Thought I'd share these before refitting the interior :D [ATTACH]546[/Attach]
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Posted by: stickman - 13 June 2008 14:31:49
Wow.
The car is looking great. I have a 1960 (early model with semaphores) and this thread has inspired me to get my resto started.
It has not been MOT'd for 5 years, although it still fires up ok. It will be sent for an MOT next week!
Hope to see some more pics soon, and even the car in the flesh at a few shows.
Posted by: Pierce_11 - 16 June 2008 13:21:57
Your bug is in top niccck, you must of spent a bit to find such a car in that condition!!
I cant imagine what ity will look like when youve finished, looks incredible as it was.
Posted by: harveypj - 16 June 2008 15:43:59
Nearly done now :d
just the door glass to fit.
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Posted by: six-o-one - 16 June 2008 17:26:01
Very nice! :d
Posted by: 48REME - 18 June 2008 15:12:06
Lovely car, are you bringing it to Lavenham?:wink:
Posted by: harveypj - 19 June 2008 23:25:26
:d Oh yes :d can't wait, got a B'n'B for Fri & Sat night :d
Planning to drive up on Friday afternoon 3/4 ish.
If anyone is planning similar we could meet on route.
Posted by: JD - 25 June 2008 10:43:51
Wow!
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 26 June 2008 20:24:47
beautiful!
Posted by: RockStock - 28 June 2008 19:14:36
Saw it today, really nicely done car. Well done
Posted by: harveypj - 29 June 2008 23:31:09
Thanks guys, I'm pleased to know it gets your approuval:d
[quote=RockStock]Saw it today, really nicely done car. Well done[/quote]
:o wow, that realy makes me smile:d
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 18 July 2008 17:13:48
Great to meet you at the weekend. What a fantastic car!!
I too had my reservations about your decision to re-paint the car, but I think that it is all the better for you having done so. Now I just need to get my '59 looking as good!
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 04 August 2008 16:43:56
Hi, saw your bug at Peppercorn and immediatly fell in love wiith it! She looks so good in her new coat of paint and all thought like a lot of people I love og paint I would have done exactly what you have done.
If you ever want to sell her you know where to come!
Posted by: six-o-one - 04 August 2008 17:46:28
[quote=54 Gertie]
If you ever want to sell her you no where to come![/quote]
Oi!
Get to the back of the queue!
:wink:
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 28 August 2008 23:42:29
[img]https://home.btconnect.com/oakley-web/DSC05881.JPG[/img]
Your car circa 1991 after being 'recently discovered' and recommissioned for the road.
Posted by: harveypj - 29 August 2008 02:35:24
:p Rich, thats great, did you get the photo from a copy of 'international vintage volkswagen' magazine?
I know it apeared in an artical, think it was at a historic car event at Brands hatch race circuit. My car has a windsreen sticker of the magazine for that reason.
If it was, could you let me know the issue no as I am on the look out for a copy.
Pete
Still got those wheel trims,lids and gravel gaurds. Unfortunatly have not stood the test of time quite as well as the rest of the trim.
Posted by: RockStock - 14 October 2008 00:58:39
an award at peppercorn from IM, & a mugshot in VolksWorld!
Posted by: harveypj - 14 October 2008 15:40:56
8)
There's more to come, keep em peeled. :d :d
Posted by: RockStock - 14 October 2008 19:22:53
i have seen a preview of the feature
'unbelievably at the project outset pj harvey got slaughtered by some stock-nazi forum know-it-all'
8)
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 14 October 2008 19:23:24
Volume 4 Number 5. Sorry for the delay!
Rich.
Posted by: harveypj - 15 October 2008 01:06:47
[quote=RockStock]
'unbelievably at the project outset pj harvey got slaughtered by some stock-nazi forum know-it-all'
8) [/quote]
:shock: "No"... some people :roll:
:wink:
Posted by: harveypj - 15 October 2008 01:08:29
[quote=Rich Oakley]Volume 4 Number 5. Sorry for the delay!
Rich.[/quote]
Cheers Rich, now just got to find a copy.
Posted by: RockStock - 27 October 2008 22:26:32
Peter, super nice feature
VolksWorld, super nice feature, good issue
[IMG]https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/stockrocks/pens007229.jpg[/IMG]
RS, crap scan!
Posted by: bayareabug58 - 28 October 2008 23:22:54
Harvey I am flabergasted at the pictures of your 58 beetle. Your painter put a lot of time into mixing the Glacier Blue color which might I add is the best match I have ever seen. My problem is that I live in California (USA) and for 2 months now I have searched and searched for a shop to duplicate my 58 Ragtop Glacier Blue color. My car has faded tremendously and the previous owner resprayed it but not in Glacier Blue. Either way it stands right now I have been trying my hardest every day to get a color match to respray my 58 back to it's original color. I swear I am almost out of HAIR on my head and I am only 29yrs old. Please if there is any way I can obtain a proper FORMULA for the L334 Glacier Blue I will be in your debt forever. Here is what I have right now and by gosh this car will be resprayed GLACIER BLUE come hell or high water.
For some reason photobucket is not letting me post a picture of my VW??? I will try to re post some time a pic of the car. Please Thank You for any input on a FORMULA L334 Glacier Blue.
Posted by: harveypj - 29 October 2008 00:16:38
Thanks, it is a great colour
I'll have a word with Martin my painter, his paint supplier managed to get an original formula it took them quite a while to fnd it. I know they had to specialy order some of he tints, ones they had not used before.
Oficialy its a metalic, but the early metalics come up almost pearly looking, the metal fleck is alot more subtle (softer)than modern ones.
Not sure about in the states but here in the uk we are in the middle of paint specs changing from solvent based to water based, My 58 was done using 2k paint. If I were to order the paint now it would probably have to be in water based and may come up a little different. ( I have 4Ltrs spare for this reason )
I'll see what I can do regarding formula and contacts.
Posted by: bayareabug58 - 29 October 2008 00:25:44
Harvey I cannot express enough gratitude for your help. I can get just about any type of paint here in the US, some are harder than others to obtain. Even just a phone # and a name to call for the info would be good. Any info at this point and time is better than what I have found.
God Bless You Harvey and your Beautiful 58.
Posted by: harveypj - 29 October 2008 00:31:02
Have you tried 'Glacurit', I thought they would have had a formula.
Posted by: bayareabug58 - 29 October 2008 00:53:04
Maybe It's just me and I am not using their website properly but I have tried and came up with nothing.:cry:
Just went back to Glasurit and searched again. All that came up was Atlas Blue.:?
Posted by: GKL 7 - 29 October 2008 19:11:33
[quote=RockStock]
VolksWorld, super nice feature[/quote]
That's the second best cover car i've seen:wink:
Posted by: Rich Oakley - 31 October 2008 20:33:28
I love that car even more now- 100 bonus points to you Pete for doing the car justice. I just wish that I had bought it when I had the chance :roll:
Anyhow, It inspired me to wheel my unrestored Welsh '59 out of the garage a few weeks ago. Mine has been off the road since 2002, so I decided to get it running and take it for a spin ;) Late 50's RHD bugs are the best 8)
Video...
https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=avemAfcCzO0
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Posted by: GKL 7 - 31 October 2008 21:49:44
[quote=Rich Oakley] Late 50's RHD bugs are the best 8)
[/quote]
He's finally flipped:cry:
Posted by: harveypj - 01 November 2008 11:21:06
Thats a great looking car Rich8)
late 50's Bugs, developed enuogh but not enough to have lost that real vintage charm:d 8)
Split verts:( ...Who'd want one of those, would'nt touch them with a barge pole:wink: :lol:
Did you read 'Pye eyed' at the back?.....just doing my bit:d
Sounds like the penny is starting to drop.
"Stock Revolution":p
Alright, its a nice thought thou
Posted by: Ivan - 03 November 2008 14:43:26
[quote='50 Karmann]
That's the second best cover car i've seen:wink: [/quote]
Cheers George. We tried something different - a studio shoot but adding a similar coloured lighting. I wasn't at the shoot, but from what our head designer Neil told me - he thought Peter was a bit concerned we were going to mock the stock - by being too jazzy with the pics. As you know George, that's not what we're about! Thankfully to coloured lighting really worked well, just how we wanted it to, and it makes the feature another unique high quality one from VolksWorld. It shows we're always looking to try something new.
Oh, and I've really got to say nice one to Peter for doing the car. It has honestly been one of the highlights of 2008 for me. When I saw it at Peppercorn it made my day. And he's a top bloke too.
Posted by: GKL 7 - 03 November 2008 19:04:07
[quote=Ivan] that's not what we're about! [/quote]
HEAR,HEAR.
Posted by: Rach66 - 03 November 2008 20:41:33
Great article, your car looks fabulous:d
Posted by: tman - 03 November 2008 20:50:33
Is this month's Volksworld a limited edition? We can't find a copy for sale 'anywhere'! :d
Ummm, perhaps Peter has been buying them all? :wink:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 03 November 2008 21:02:17
[quote=tman]Is this month's Volksworld a limited edition? We can't find a copy for sale 'anywhere'! :d
[/quote]
Ivan will post you a copy if you send him a cheque for £100 care of the Volksworld office.
Posted by: Etzhold1 - 03 November 2008 21:35:13
[quote=tman]Is this month's Volksworld a limited edition? We can't find a copy for sale 'anywhere'! :d
Ummm, perhaps Peter has been buying them all? :wink: [/quote]
I think Peter visited Belgium aswell:lol: , I can't find 1 magazine !:roll:
Guido
Posted by: mrsherbie - 04 November 2008 09:13:18
I have seen the cover today! the Car looks fantastic! :beer: :d
But I dont have a copy so I havent seen anything inside yet, but I have been told that you are inciting a revolution! :lol: :beer:
Huge Congratulations!! You did do such a perfect job as a sympathetic restoration. Nowadays I only buy magazines with a stocker on the cover or good feature inside, so not so often anymore!*!
I really look forward to seeing it next year in the metal somewhere :d
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 04 November 2008 16:31:58
Cant seem to find a copy of it anywhere!
Bugger!
I guess my local newsagents has stopped stocking it, they dont have camper and bus either!:x
Posted by: Jules - 04 November 2008 17:11:47
[quote=54 Gertie]Cant seem to find a copy of it anywhere!
Bugger!
I guess my local newsagents has stopped stocking it, they dont have camper and bus either!:x [/quote]
You should be able to get it pretty much anywhere but it did only come out last Friday so it might need a few days!
Tesco's is a good bet, our local one sells both mags!
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 04 November 2008 18:02:29
[quote=Jules]
You should be able to get it pretty much anywhere but it did only come out last Friday so it might need a few days!
Tesco's is a good bet, our local one sells both mags![/quote]
Yeah cheers we're about to go out and are going to call in on Sainsburys on the way back!
Wish us luck!
Posted by: harveypj - 05 November 2008 02:23:39
[quote=mrsherbie] have been told that you are inciting a revolution! :lol: :beer:
Huge Congratulations!! You did do such a perfect job as a sympathetic restoration.
I really look forward to seeing it next year in the metal somewhere :d
[/quote]
:lol: :lol:
Thankyou very much.
All things well should be at Stanford Hall
Posted by: pre67vw - 06 November 2008 00:02:37
I've just got a copy, fantastic write up :wink: thanks for mentioning the site!!
It's also GREAT considering the complete roasting that you got for re-painting it :lol:
I've also created you a new 'rank', you're probably too young to remember though so you'll have to google it. :lol:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 06 November 2008 19:02:32
"FREEDOM FOR TOOTING"
Posted by: harveypj - 06 November 2008 19:51:14
[quote=pre67vw]
I've also created you a new 'rank', you're probably too young to remember though so you'll have to google it. :lol: [/quote]
Thanks for that:lol: :lol: :lol: ...very good:lol::p
"Power to the Beetle"
Posted by: pre67vw - 07 November 2008 15:06:01
Volksworld have put up a wallpaper image for people to download... 8)
[url=https://www.volksworld.com/imageBank/p/peter-harvey-01.jpg]https://www.volksworld.com/imageBank/p/peter-harvey-01.jpg[/url]
and...
[url=https://www.volksworld.com/imageBank/p/peter-harvey-02.jpg]https://www.volksworld.com/imageBank/p/peter-harvey-02.jpg[/url]
And lets not forget the 'other' GREAT feature in the mag as well...
[url=https://www.volksworld.com/imageBank/t/taxi-011.jpg]https://www.volksworld.com/imageBank/t/taxi-011.jpg[/url]
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 04 February 2009 21:57:58
Just re-read the feature on this and....
"between 1976 and 2007 the car only averaged 429.5 miles a year" :shock: :wink: :lol:
Never spotted that before!:lol: :beer:
Anyway, just thought I would send this to the top for people to see!:wink: :lol:
Posted by: tofufi - 04 February 2009 23:09:17
Just read the whole thread.
A stunning car, and you were definitely right to repaint it and preserve the car in a condition from which it won't deteriorate easily 8)
Posted by: stu - 09 February 2009 03:05:01
god the colour of that car is so nice:!:
Posted by: Robb - 22 February 2010 14:53:34
awesome read and awesome car 8)
so did you pull the suspension apart and repaint/detail it?
Posted by: Robb - 22 February 2010 15:11:51
oh and did you use satin or gloss powdercoated tinware?
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 22 February 2010 17:10:04
[quote=Robb]oh and did you use satin or gloss powdercoated tinware?
[/quote]
Not to take over, but I think the majority of the tin is still in OG paint. With a few areas carefully touched up.
The colour or stock tin was definately satin, not gloss.
Posted by: harveypj - 22 February 2010 19:04:38
[quote=54 Gertie]
Not to take over, but I think the majority of the tin is still in OG paint. With a few areas carefully touched up.
The colour or stock tin was definately satin, not gloss.[/quote]
The only engine parts I painted were the cylinder shrouds, rocker covers and the coil. I used 'PJ1 fast black engine and case paint'. Its intended for the motorcycle market. It cures onto the metal requiring no primer and is good to around 200degsC. It dries a satin finish and can be further polished up to match the glossyer finish of the original.
There is always lots of debade as to the correct sheen that should be on the tin ware.
The majority of my engine wares its original paint including the air filter that still has the original decal intact and the paint finish is deffinantly gloss, as is the fan housing.
I've got a feeling later cars may be satin finish, but in my opinion the earlier cars (6 volt) should be a gloss type finish. (sorry Will:twisted: )
I only done the rear axle/breaks as I had the gearbox sorted. I used Por15 again a gloss finish.
Its a similar product to 'smootherite'. The smooterite/hammerite paint in black however is the wrong colour, its what I'd call a browny black...too rich. The original colour is a neutral black, the other end of the spectrum being slate or greyish blacks.:shock: and you thought black was black :lol:
Posted by: Robb - 22 February 2010 19:12:54
brill, yer its hard to know where to stop! :lol:
yer i think i'll re-paint the axle tubes and rear brakes etc, along with all the front axle assembly and then just do a dusting of black waxoil on the pan itself as we spoke about a while ago.
thanks for the info :d
Posted by: harveypj - 22 February 2010 19:18:30
I was considering taking the frond axle out and giving it a freshen up but decided against it. I'll wait until the link pins or something like that wear out...so probably never:lol:
If I get it too clean underneath I will not want to drive it.
Posted by: Robb - 22 February 2010 19:26:31
yer im not going to go too mad, no powdercoat or blasting, just a thorough cleaning and repaint. :)
Posted by: TEXAS PETE - 23 February 2010 10:38:28
[quote=harveypj]
The only engine parts I painted were the cylinder shrouds, rocker covers and the coil. I used 'PJ1 fast black engine and case paint'. Its intended for the motorcycle market. It cures onto the metal requiring no primer and is good to around 200degsC. It dries a satin finish and can be further polished up to match the glossyer finish of the original.
There is always lots of debade as to the correct sheen that should be on the tin ware.
The majority of my engine wares its original paint including the air filter that still has the original decal intact and the paint finish is deffinantly gloss, as is the fan housing.
I've got a feeling later cars may be satin finish, but in my opinion the earlier cars (6 volt) should be a gloss type finish. (sorry Tom:twisted: )
I only done the rear axle/breaks as I had the gearbox sorted. I used Por15 again a gloss finish.
Its a similar product to 'smootherite'. The smooterite/hammerite paint in black however is the wrong colour, its what I'd call a browny black...too rich. The original colour is a neutral black, the other end of the spectrum being slate or greyish blacks.:shock: and you thought black was black :lol:
[/quote]
I agree that the engine wear should be a glossy type finish. Mine was/is all original and needed touching up. A buff of the originals with original white paint OG marks showed this.
The car looks superb, well done on your decisions, I think you did the right thing.
Pete
Posted by: Robb - 23 February 2010 20:58:43
i think the finish should be semi gloss, but try finding a powdercoater that will do that!
didnt Roy Wilson, he of the zenith blue 67 repaint his tinware satin black after getting marked down by the concourse judges for it being glossy?
Posted by: harveypj - 23 February 2010 21:23:41
He did, but even he's still not sure what is correct:? he was looking at mine last year at Stanford Hall. Don't know who the judge was? They are not always correct.
I can only draw conclution from what I have in my garage, 67 is also quite a bit later than mine, may be around the time the finish changed to a more satin one?
Maybe the factory finish varied for what ever reason, paint batch, suplier etc.
Posted by: Robb - 23 February 2010 21:29:44
yer maybe, but i have to say, what is left of my of tinware paint, its def a semi gloss. But it all needs re-doing...so guess itll either have to be gloss or satin powdercoat :?
Posted by: DeanoVW - 23 February 2010 22:22:12
[quote=Robb]i think the finish should be semi gloss, but try finding a powdercoater that will do that!
didnt Roy Wilson, he of the zenith blue 67 repaint his tinware satin black after getting marked down by the concourse judges for it being glossy?[/quote]
I had my floorpan and all my tinware powder coated semi gloss black without a problem.
Posted by: Robb - 23 February 2010 22:33:10
may i ask who you used?
thanks :)
Posted by: TEXAS PETE - 24 February 2010 10:45:52
The powder coater compared my tin wear to finishes he could achieve and said it was a glossy/semi gloss finish. This is what I went for as it matched the original finish. (so powder coaters can do a semi gloss.)
As for judges not always being correct!? it’s criminal if they can make a call based on their opinion and not facts.
Also I think on higher mileage cars the tin wear could become less and less glossy over a period of time due to the high temperatures generated from the engine. (just my opinion, thought id add that) :)
Posted by: DeanoVW - 24 February 2010 15:05:47
[quote=Robb]may i ask who you used?
thanks :)[/quote]
Of course:
[url=https://www.blastcleanandcoatings.co.uk/]https://www.blastcleanandcoatings.co.uk/[/url]
£350 for the floorpan, be aware that there may uncover areas that need repairing. They will not repair it.
£100 for the tinware
Posted by: Robb - 26 February 2010 12:47:58
thanks,
i may have to go for satin black, as 3 places local to me dont do semi-gloss, or when i ask them, they say satin is semi gloss :lol:
Posted by: harveypj - 26 February 2010 13:12:23
Have you seen the VW documentry 'the shape of quality'?
If not you need to, go on youtube and search 'shape of quality', engines are put together in 3/3 8)
Posted by: TEXAS PETE - 28 February 2010 16:33:49
Thanks for sharing the video harveypj. Surely that’s 100% confirmation of tin wear gloss? It also shows the engines being built with there blue leads..:)
Pete
Posted by: harveypj - 28 February 2010 16:55:46
That particular version of the documentry is an Australian one, you may have noticed the Grey floorpans.
There is also an earlier German version filmed in the 50's
Posted by: TEXAS PETE - 28 February 2010 17:48:26
Yeah, I wonder why they did that.. I like the way they state each car needs to pass the 83 mechanical tests before they can move on to the next stage. I wonder if many fell short and needed re-addressing.
I’ll have to have a look for the other video i dont think i've seen it.
Posted by: Robb - 28 February 2010 20:45:25
[quote=harveypj]Have you seen the VW documentry 'the shape of quality'?
If not you need to, go on youtube and search 'shape of quality', engines are put together in 3/3 8) [/quote]
dam, now your causing me problems :lol:
well the og paint on my tinware is gloss-ish.
hmmm not sure what to do now. :? help?
Posted by: harveypj - 28 February 2010 21:49:07
PJ1 engine and case paint, polish it to the gloss finish your happy with.
It also results in a kind of aged look. [ATTACH]4126[/Attach]
Posted by: Robb - 28 February 2010 22:40:39
yer need to hunt for that stuff, as Halfords here dont do it.
never been marked down for that im guessing?
Posted by: JD - 28 February 2010 22:58:11
A friend of mine collects old lightweight bicycles and has very expertly aged his resprays on a couple of them using a mixture of T-cut and oil. Gives an everso slightly flat sheen to the paint. Might be worth a try.
Posted by: 59 convert - 04 March 2010 12:21:45
I love the car harveypj, did you show it at the Volksworld show last year? I might've seen it at Karmann Konnection as well.
I've just bought a '59 type 1, slightly different to yours as it's an ex drag strip car but I love the stock look on pre 60's bugs, it suits it very well!
Glad to know there's another 50's bug in Essex.
Posted by: harveypj - 04 March 2010 12:56:03
Hi Jonathan, Thamks for the kind words and welcome to the forum.
Yes I displayed my car at Volksworld last year, even managed to pick up a top20 award:d
I also went along to last years KK open day/BBQ so is quite posible you saw me there too.
Posted by: 59 convert - 04 March 2010 15:00:04
[quote=harveypj]Hi Jonathan, Thamks for the kind words and welcome to the forum.
Yes I displayed my car at Volksworld last year, even managed to pick up a top20 award:d
I also went along to last years KK open day/BBQ so is quite posible you saw me there too.[/quote]
I thought I saw it there because of the mag feature as well, it was so clean! Well done on the award, it's well deserved!
Posted by: beefykeefy - 06 March 2010 22:31:57
Fantastic car; you've definately done the right thing with repainting it.
Must post some pics of my '67... :wink:
