Posted by: Rhodrich - 30 March 2009 10:08:41
[quote=RockStock][img]https://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/rhodrich/VOD028.jpg[/img] looked sweet, Rhodrich lovely og interior, nice matching green sunroof yes, a bit tucked in to a corner... got any pre-resto pics? bit of background? is that an age related-issued plate? decent combo [/quote] I thought I'd move the discussion into a thread of its own, rather than cluttering up the Volksworld show thread..... First of all, a confession. I don't want to pretend that this is an original 11G. The 3 fold ragtop was originally from a '53, but has been fitted properly by being leaded in place (by Wolfgang from Wolf Parts - see below), and then completely rebuilt with a NOS cover, and headlining from Himmelservice. I don't really have any pre-resto pics, as the car has never really been 'restored', except for odd repair work, and a respray when the ragtop was fitted in about 2006. The car was purchased in 1951 (I have the receipt at home), and kept by the original owner until 1972, when he traded it in for a new 1303! At the time, the garage he traded it in at thought it was a very clean example, and that it would make a very good display car in the corner of their showroom. They replaced a number of parts with new items (ribbed doors and bumpers spring to mind), and did a few small repairs (rear nearside bumper mount). At the time, originality was not a priority, and this bumper mount is a '70's item. (I will sort it out eventually). It then sat in this show room until 2005, when it was purchased by the previous owner. He rebuilt all the brakes with NOS items, and recommissioned anything else that needed sorting, and drove the car around for a year. He then took it off the road for a freshen-up, and to fit the ragtop. At this stage, he fitted the 30hp engine that it currently sports, which is an industrial unit with virtually no hours on it. I still have the original 25hp, which itself could probably do with a bit of a freshen-up Having other committments, once the respray was done, he got back to the task of fitting it up, until the project stalled, and he decided to sell the car on... [ATTACH]2800[/Attach]

Posted by: Rhodrich - 30 March 2009 10:20:15
The car was advertised on The Samba, and I went out to view it this time last year, when I happened to be in Stockholm anyway for my sister's wedding. I liked what I saw, and made arrangements for the car to be fitted up enough for it to be driven, and then went to collect it in June.... [img]https://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/rhodrich/Split/SwedenSplit010Small.jpg[/img] (I fitted the rear brake lights, as I didn't want to just rely on the orange centre one) I then drove it across to Gothenburg from Stockholm, staying in a very nice hotel on the way.... [img]https://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/rhodrich/Split/SwedenSplit012Small.jpg[/img] The ferry port: [img]https://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/rhodrich/Split/SwedenSplit038Small.jpg[/img] The ferry [img]https://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/rhodrich/Split/SwedenSplit050Small.jpg[/img] [img]https://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/rhodrich/Split/SwedenSplit058Small.jpg[/img] And after a boring 2 days at sea, round the M25 to sunny Kingston [img]https://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/rhodrich/Split/SwedenSplit093Small.jpg[/img]

Posted by: Rhodrich - 30 March 2009 10:33:09
Since then, it's been busy putting everything back. It might have looked pretty much there in the pictures above, but it really only had a driver's seat, and not much else! When doing this, I made the dreadful discovery that the front beam was kippered, with the shock towers made out of filler - very strange, as the rest of the car is so solid. Not a problem though. A NOS short shock front beam was sourced from the Samba, and fitted up. It then went through its MOT without a problem. The passenger side seat was in a dreadful condition, and I managed to pick up one in very similar condition to the rest of my interior from Owen at VW Garden (thanks Anna!) I also fitted the Judson Supercharger, which I picked up at VW Action last year, after answering an advert on Volkszone. Now the plate it was issued when it was imported was 458 XUL. I have a thing about import plates, because they are not age related - you can tell instantly that a car has been re registered, as they all use the same batch of numbers. In addition, in 1951, plates had 3 letters then 3 numbers not 3 number and 3 letters (these only came in in the late '50s). My true 'age related' plate was picked up at a reasonable price from eBay. The car is now known in my club as 'VOD' Fast forward to the Volksworld show, and the original plan was just to put it on my Club stand (Twickenham Aircoolers). While parking up though, Ivan offered me an 'upgrade'. The car wasn't really on display inside, but was part of the Santa Pod stand! I wasn't one to complain though! [img]https://forums.pre67vw.com/forum/resource.ashx?a=2798[/img]

Posted by: JD - 30 March 2009 10:37:58
Lovely car and a great story.:d

Posted by: mrsherbie - 30 March 2009 10:50:44
Wow I love it! plate is great too! before someone else asks I am going to be first, SO, do you drink a lot of vodka? :beer: :lol: nice number choice too! :d [img]https://www.carinformations.com/images/wallpapers/45103158/Porsche%20Car%20Pictures/Porsche-917.jpg[/img]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 30 March 2009 10:54:31
oops sorry that was bigger than I expected! :shock: :lol:

Posted by: VW Stan - 30 March 2009 10:59:27
I remember reading the story over on The Samba. What a cool car and so nice to see it at the show at the weekend. I hope it will be a regular at some of the more 'Vintage' shows in the UK too! 8) :d

Posted by: Rhodrich - 30 March 2009 13:27:59
I've just remembered - I do actually have a pre-resto pic, as I've got a picture of the original owner washing the car in the '60s at home. Shame I don't have a scanner to scan it in..... Thanks again for nice comments. I am not really a Vodka drinker, and neither is the car - it prefers unleaded! If anyone did happen to know a Vodka drinking 917 owner though, I'd be happy to sell the plate for one million dollars :lol: I do plan to do some vintage shows this year - pop over and say hello if you see me :d

Posted by: 48REME - 30 March 2009 15:36:18
Really pretty car! Coming to Stanford Hall?:d

Posted by: 69project - 30 March 2009 17:24:44
wow,thats a nice story! i must admit i drooled over this for a while... hope to see it in the sun soon

Posted by: Rhodrich - 30 March 2009 19:06:17
Stanford Hall? We shall see - it's a bit of a trek. Should be be doing Stonor Park (not that there appeared to be any Split window beetles there last year) and Peppercorn this year. Otherwise, I'll only be going to 'new wave' events.... sorry! :oops:

Posted by: 48REME - 30 March 2009 19:32:43
Stanford Hall's not too far, it takes the same time as going to Peppercorn and it's a much better event...nice grounds, nice country house, beautiful cars and no mud and donkeys!

Posted by: GKL 7 - 30 March 2009 19:33:58
[quote=mrsherbie]oops sorry that was bigger than I expected! :shock: :lol: [/quote] Dizzy blonde moment?:wink:

Posted by: Chris - 30 March 2009 22:44:58
[quote=mrsherbie]oops sorry that was bigger than I expected! :shock: :lol: [/quote] I've heard that from a few girls before............ :roll: Lovely car by the way, I ust admit 'crotch cooler' cars are my all time favourites. And before George reminds me....... Yes, I know I should have bought the blue one :oops:

Posted by: Rhodrich - 01 June 2009 13:38:43
In a field, yesterday..... [img]https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i124/vicpolky/IMG_9872.jpg[/img] R

Posted by: 64rotbox - 01 June 2009 14:34:55
When anyone asks me why I have no time for current 'trends' in VW modification, I'll just show them this picture.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 01 June 2009 18:38:44
[quote=Rhodrich]In a field, yesterday..... [img]https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i124/vicpolky/IMG_9872.jpg[/img] R[/quote] Ah brilliant, you managed to get a photo with Mr Leggs car! 8) Nice speaking to you yesterday. :d

Posted by: kdf38 - 01 June 2009 19:34:39
One of these two cars NEEDS Legs.

Posted by: vintagevw - 01 June 2009 21:34:55
I guess the left one is already standing there several years. :wink: :lol:

Posted by: Richard - 15 June 2009 15:09:50
[quote=64rotbox]When anyone asks me why I have no time for current 'trends' in VW modification, I'll just show them this picture.[/quote] & what will that tell them? that you can’t respect other peoples choice of how to have their own car?

Posted by: 48REME - 15 June 2009 15:36:00
[quote=Richard] & what will that tell them? that you can’t respect other peoples choice of how to have their own car?[/quote] No, just that he doesn't like that sort of look and it's his bloody right. Quite frankly, I don't know who's car it is on the left of the picture but it's not difficult to see which one of the two is nicer.

Posted by: Richard - 15 June 2009 16:38:30
[quote=48REME] No, just that he doesn't like that sort of look and it's his bloody right. Quite frankly, I don't know who's car it is on the left of the picture but it's not difficult to see which one of the two is nicer.[/quote] That depends on your opinion. Some would say the one on the left is nicer, as apart from the suspention, the body is 100% stock & 90% original.

Posted by: 48REME - 15 June 2009 17:32:59
It may be that it is more original but if you went around asking people with this picture in hand, I very much doubt it would win over the other one!

Posted by: Richard - 15 June 2009 17:50:03
[quote=48REME]It may be that it is more original but if you went around asking people with this picture in hand, I very much doubt it would win over the other one![/quote] That may-be, but that's got nothing to do with 64rotbox's original comment.

Posted by: VW Stan - 15 June 2009 18:12:57
I think it would be nice to get another picture of them together once Rich's car is back to stock height! :wink: Both nice cars in their own way, but the suspension mods and wheels are what 64rotbox is saying he has no time for. I don't think lack of respect comes into it. He's just saying he doesn't like it which is fair enough, isn't it? :roll:

Posted by: 48REME - 15 June 2009 18:19:00
I don't see how one person not having the time of day for certain types of cars has anything to do with the 'respect of other people's choice'. He just expressed his personal view and taste, you brought in the issue of that causing disrespect to others and their cars. Anyway, we could go on like this and it probably wouldn't achieve much...:wink:

Posted by: Standard split - 15 June 2009 19:56:21
[quote=Rhodrich] Now the plate it was issued when it was imported was 458 XUL. I have a thing about import plates, because they are not age related - you can tell instantly that a car has been re registered, as they all use the same batch of numbers. In addition, in 1951, plates had 3 letters then 3 numbers not 3 number and 3 letters (these only came in in the late '50s). My true 'age related' plate was picked up at a reasonable price from eBay. The car is now known in my club as 'VOD' [/quote] Firstly I'd like to say that this is a smashing car:!: However, I don't buy the registration plate theory. Why attempt to disguise the perfectly obvious as its a left-hand drive car:wink: The recent import into the UK is all part of the car's history and 458 XUL was the allocated registration. I did own a 1951 Austin Devon once :shock: :shock: :shock: sorry about that, but actually they are not a bad car:wink: This car had lost its old registration and had been allocated a 1963 A reg. I made the effort to acquire a 1951 reg for this as (unlike a LHD VW) being a UK built car new here that year it really looked wrong.

Posted by: 55Kab - 15 June 2009 21:36:05
The type of discussion above is getting tiresome. I wish people would take their blinkers off, just because a certain look or part of the VW scene is not for you, I still think it's distasteful to criticise on a public forum. Personally I like both and would happily accept both in my garage. Rich & Rich donate here...:wink:

Posted by: 64rotbox - 16 June 2009 00:29:19
[quote=Richard] & what will that tell them? that you can’t respect other peoples choice of how to have their own car?[/quote] That depends on how touchy they are. People with stockers have to endure "duh needs slammin yo" on other forums all the bloody time without getting narky, but it never seems to work the other way around. Nothing to do with blinkers. The car I'm building at the moment is anything but stock (big engine, lowered a bit, discs etc.) I won't be expecting people on a 'stock, coachbuilt and old speed' forum to like it and therefore won't be posting photos of it.

Posted by: sambafreak - 16 June 2009 09:29:46
Ha ha this is the funniest shit i have read in ages.....hats off.......

Posted by: 55Kab - 16 June 2009 10:43:40
[quote=64rotbox]That depends on how touchy they are. People with stockers have to endure "duh needs slammin yo" on other forums all the bloody time without getting narky, but it never seems to work the other way around. Nothing to do with blinkers. The car I'm building at the moment is anything but stock (big engine, lowered a bit, discs etc.) I won't be expecting people on a 'stock, coachbuilt and old speed' forum to like it and therefore won't be posting photos of it.[/quote] Agreed and like you, that's why there's no pics of my Cab on here. Well, I think I did post one once! :oops: I think the "duh needs slammin yo" comments would eminate from those who only live on that other forum we don't talk about. From what I've seen I don't think any of the RW crowd would make comments like that :wink:

Posted by: 64rotbox - 16 June 2009 12:28:44
Maybe. I suppose if they did they'd at least type it out in a more coherent way. Mind you, I do seem to remember a bit of a hoo-hah regarding a certain cabriolet, when it was announced that the new owner was going to get rid of all the 'original' rust, paint it, alter the wheelbarrow-esque front track, put a big engine in it and stuff like that... you know, do what he wanted with it rather than what everyone else thought it should look like. Now *that* was some 'funny shit'.

Posted by: Richard - 16 June 2009 13:58:58
[quote=64rotbox] Nothing to do with blinkers. The car I'm building at the moment is anything but stock (big engine, lowered a bit, discs etc.) I won't be expecting people on a 'stock, coachbuilt and old speed' forum to like it and therefore won't be posting photos of it.[/quote] I didn't post the picture of my car, and never have.

Posted by: 55Kab - 16 June 2009 15:50:45
[quote=64rotbox]Mind you, I do seem to remember a bit of a hoo-hah regarding a certain cabriolet, when it was announced that the new owner was going to get rid of all the 'original' rust, paint it, alter the wheelbarrow-esque front track, put a big engine in it and stuff like that... you know, do what he wanted with it rather than what everyone else thought it should look like. Now *that* was some 'funny shit'.[/quote] ^^^^^:lol: :lol: :lol: :beer:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 16 June 2009 20:34:56
:roll: Has someone dug a secret tunnel from volkszone to here. edit: Where is Stu BTW

Posted by: stu - 17 June 2009 16:09:46
[quote='50 Karmann]:roll: Has someone dug a secret tunnel from volkszone to here. edit: Where is Stu BTW[/quote] lol, im here, to be honest we should all stop the bickering, i no im guilty too, i also genuinely like both cars...

Posted by: zippy - 04 July 2009 11:18:20
i think both cars are 8) back in the late 80's early 90's i slammed too many bugs but these days im stock height due to speed bumps :x but i think any old vw which is still on the road and has'nt been scrapped or crushed is better than none at all have to say an old uk rhd always put's a smile on my face, where to me the last few years it's been a flood of lhd

Posted by: mrsherbie - 05 July 2009 12:40:38
[quote='50 Karmann]:roll: Has someone dug a secret tunnel from volkszone to here. [/quote] YES, to all you lowered guys, this is a STOCK HEIGHT FORUM, and as such it is the ONLY place on the net where beetle owners can be honest and freely say that they dont like modified cars. You have Restowagen and Volkspleb if you want to talk or argue lowered, but please DONT DO IT HERE as no-one here is interested in it. :wink: :beer:

Posted by: Standard split - 06 July 2009 15:21:11
[quote=mrsherbie] You have Restowagen and Volkspleb if you want to talk or argue lowered, but please DONT DO IT HERE as no-one here is interested in it. :wink: :beer: [/quote] So right, lowered cars annoy me. Have you ever tried to find a Type ll that hasn't been lowered, or with narrowed beams or 'earlies; or other mods stuck on it:?: I don't buy the 'it can easily be put back to original' given by owners of such cars. a messed with Beetle will always be just that. Its history is soiled. And since when has raw rust been patina :evil:

Posted by: Rhodrich - 23 March 2010 13:33:08
It's now up for sale, due to imminent baby arrival (due today!), and lack of possibilities for seatbelts and baby seats. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=941215 My Mercedes 230SL is also up for sale due to lack of rear seats as well. However, I'm keeping the 412LE variant - there's no way I'd be getting rid of such a rare car! R

Posted by: 59 Ragtop - 27 March 2010 12:19:11
Great car. All the best with the sale.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 27 March 2010 18:25:46
Car looked great today. 8)

Posted by: Rhodrich - 08 August 2010 09:36:09
My '51 has now left the country....... :( Sold to Belgium yesterday. Now I just need to find the RHD Pre-67 Karmann Cabriolet to replace it. Something that's seemingly impossible to find, unless you're happy with a shed or a project......

Posted by: 55Kab - 08 August 2010 12:36:02
[quote=Rhodrich]Now I just need to find the RHD Pre-67 Karmann Cabriolet to replace it. Something that's seemingly impossible to find, unless you're happy with a shed or a project......[/quote] Yep, especially if it's a UK RHD car you're after - which I presume it is? There was a UK RHD 55 on the Samba a month or so back which was shipped to the US a few year ago. We know it needs work and was up for serious money. I've got the seller's details if you're interested.

Posted by: Rhodrich - 08 August 2010 23:02:12
[quote=55Kab]Yep, especially if it's a UK RHD car you're after - which I presume it is? There was a UK RHD 55 on the Samba a month or so back which was shipped to the US a few year ago. We know it needs work and was up for serious money. I've got the seller's details if you're interested. [/quote] This one? https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=983950 [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/pix/3280656.jpg[/img] At $32,000 plus shipping & import tax, it's a bit over budget...... Shame it's been lowered :(

Posted by: 55Kab - 09 August 2010 07:54:58
Yep, that's the one. Pricey yes, but in terms of UK car's, rarer than a Hebmuller :!: and the lowering is easily fixed. Do you want to take on a project Rich? Or want a running car?

Posted by: Rhodrich - 09 August 2010 09:45:56
I really want a running car, as having a 4 month old child, I just don't have the time now for a project. That said, I don't mind something that's been sitting for a while that just needs a few weekends worth of work to get it back on the road. I'd be happy with anything up to 1970, if you know of anything - want to avoid 1302's or 1303's. I've seen quite a few projects, in various states of repair, but it would be nice to find something that was at least driveable, with solid heater channels/strengtheners..... I know of a UK '58 that's for sale that's been off the road for the past 10 years, but it's only through a second hand source, who wants to buy it himself to turn a quick profit. :evil: Cars I've seen so far: A '65 that turned out to be rotten, badly patched, and on a '61 saloon floorpan. A '66 that had been taken off the road about 5 years ago, stripped down, and then left under a tarp in someone's back garden with no paint. A RHD converted '68 that had been fitted with early panels, that had been built up to be a German looker, with a great deal of work still to do. A '64 that looked suspiciously like a '70, which had a lot of neat 'custom' touches, and generally looked dodgy, and was probably a ringer. A '71 1302 (I was getting desparate) that was 'while not concours, one of the nicest in the country), that turned out to have rather large holes in the ends of each heater channel, and nasty patch welding and fresh underseal over the underside. A '78 1303 (Really desparate!), being sold by the original owner, with 60,000 miles from new, full history, and garaged from new. Didn't stop it being a patched up old rot box underneath. Perhaps I'm just being too picky. I'm sure I'll find something eventually!

Posted by: 55Kab - 09 August 2010 12:28:58
[quote=Rhodrich]Perhaps I'm just being too picky[/quote] Interesting read above and no I don't think you're being too picky it's just what your after is few and far between. I know of a couple of cars but don't know if they are still for sale and for what money, I'll investigate. Probably worth putting a wanted ad on Vzi because a lot of people in the hobby look at those ads. Will keep my ear to the ground.

Posted by: Rhodrich - 09 August 2010 12:59:28
Thanks! Wanted thread already on VZi. Lots of 1302's and 1303's offered but not much else!