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Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 01 April 2009 20:52:58
Looking for some genuine advice on the value of my 1955 OVAL, it's RHD and has original interior, transmission and engine. It has been lowered and is fitted with an adjustable front beam however I still have the original front beam. Running on Flat 4 BRMS Here are some pictures below. So how much do you think it is worth??? Insurance or real value, thanks. [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/20072008144.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/0903290083.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/0903290089.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/23082008217.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/0903290090.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/20072008163.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/24082007315.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 01 April 2009 20:52:58

Looking for some genuine advice on the value of my 1955 OVAL, it's RHD and has original interior, transmission and engine. It has been lowered and is fitted with an adjustable front beam however I still have the original front beam. Running on Flat 4 BRMS Here are some pictures below. So how much do you think it is worth??? Insurance or real value, thanks. [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/20072008144.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/0903290083.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/0903290089.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/23082008217.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/0903290090.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/20072008163.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/1inchwarrior/24082007315.jpg[/IMG]

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 01 April 2009 21:25:23
anybody know????

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 01 April 2009 21:31:34
Im guessing its an imported RHD car? :? :wink: Still very nice but it will effect its value! :wink:

Posted by: 55Kab - 01 April 2009 21:37:17
I would think from the photos between £4.5k-£6k. Looks nice but what will affect its value will be whether it is an OG UK car and what the condition is like structually. Clearly its been repainted and if a UK dealer car has lost its original registration which impacks value I think.

Posted by: VW Stan - 01 April 2009 21:39:42
I reckon your asking price is in the right area but, most people who frequent this forum would be looking for a stock bug. If it was still in it's original colour, stock hight with stock wheels, then between £5-£6K and you should soon find a buyer. I'm sure most potential buyers on here wouldn't want to spend an extra £2-£3K to put it back to it's original colour. Mind you, it still looks very nice in red though! :d

Posted by: VW Stan - 01 April 2009 21:39:42

I reckon your asking price is in the right area but, most people who frequent this forum would be looking for a stock bug. If it was still in it's original colour, stock hight with stock wheels, then between £5-£6K and you should soon find a buyer. I'm sure most potential buyers on here wouldn't want to spend an extra £2-£3K to put it back to it's original colour. Mind you, it still looks very nice in red though! :d

Posted by: mrsherbie - 01 April 2009 22:05:57
I also think you have the price spot on myself. The ruby? would put off probably most stockers, but thats a tiny % of the market, and for the rest of the vw buying market it is a really nice clean looking oval with exactly the right mods and stance. The thing you need to sell it is only time..to find its buyer. To sell [i]fast[/i] you would have to get nearer to 5k, but I would'nt take that for it if it was me! Good Luck :d

Posted by: mrsherbie - 01 April 2009 22:05:57

I also think you have the price spot on myself. The ruby? would put off probably most stockers, but thats a tiny % of the market, and for the rest of the vw buying market it is a really nice clean looking oval with exactly the right mods and stance. The thing you need to sell it is only time..to find its buyer. To sell [i]fast[/i] you would have to get nearer to 5k, but I would'nt take that for it if it was me! Good Luck :d

Posted by: 55Kab - 01 April 2009 22:11:51
[quote=mrsherbie]stance[/quote] "stance"...??? You've been reading VW and Ultra again Anna! :lol:

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 01 April 2009 22:16:20
It's an original UK RHD, someone transfered the orignal reg many years ago (I have all the documentation from the DVLA) it's now on a Mercedes I believe. Does that have any bearing on the value??

Posted by: stu - 01 April 2009 22:23:24
[quote=1inchwarrior]Looking for some genuine advice on the value of my 1955 OVAL, it's RHD and has original interior, transmission and engine. It has been lowered and is fitted with an adjustable front beam however I still have the original front beam. Running on Flat 4 BRMS Here are some pictures below. So how much do you think it is worth??? to answer your question, its only worth what someone will pay, you've advertised it on volkszone & presumably other places too? @ 6k?, and no one has bitten you arm off, so 6k is clearly to expensive, to be fair this car has no originality left, wrong colour, wrong wheels, repro wings, repro running boards, retrimmed interior, repainted steering wheel, wrong horn push, wrong gear stick etc etc, i would say volkszones the best place to sell it, as people on here are a bit more purist, try 5k, you might get lucky, im looking for an oval at the mo, but im after something more original

Posted by: stu - 01 April 2009 22:23:24

[quote=1inchwarrior]Looking for some genuine advice on the value of my 1955 OVAL, it's RHD and has original interior, transmission and engine. It has been lowered and is fitted with an adjustable front beam however I still have the original front beam. Running on Flat 4 BRMS Here are some pictures below. So how much do you think it is worth??? to answer your question, its only worth what someone will pay, you've advertised it on volkszone & presumably other places too? @ 6k?, and no one has bitten you arm off, so 6k is clearly to expensive, to be fair this car has no originality left, wrong colour, wrong wheels, repro wings, repro running boards, retrimmed interior, repainted steering wheel, wrong horn push, wrong gear stick etc etc, i would say volkszones the best place to sell it, as people on here are a bit more purist, try 5k, you might get lucky, im looking for an oval at the mo, but im after something more original

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 01 April 2009 22:31:37
[quote=stu] to answer your question, its only worth what someone will pay, you've advertised it on volkszone & presumably other places too? @ 6k?, and no one has bitten you arm off, so 6k is clearly to expensive, to be fair this car has no originality left, wrong colour, wrong wheels, repro wings, repro running boards, retrimmed interior, repainted steering wheel, wrong horn push, wrong gear stick etc etc, i would say volkszones the best place to sell it, as people on here are a bit more purist, try 5k, you might get lucky, im looking for an oval at the mo, but im after something more original[/quote] Gee thanks Stu, actually I'm on here asking for advice as it's only been on Vzi a few days and people are offering me the asking price without having seen it in the flesh....was wondering if they all knew something that I didn't. Was worried that I had underestimated the value of my car.

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 01 April 2009 22:31:37

[quote=stu] to answer your question, its only worth what someone will pay, you've advertised it on volkszone & presumably other places too? @ 6k?, and no one has bitten you arm off, so 6k is clearly to expensive, to be fair this car has no originality left, wrong colour, wrong wheels, repro wings, repro running boards, retrimmed interior, repainted steering wheel, wrong horn push, wrong gear stick etc etc, i would say volkszones the best place to sell it, as people on here are a bit more purist, try 5k, you might get lucky, im looking for an oval at the mo, but im after something more original[/quote] Gee thanks Stu, actually I'm on here asking for advice as it's only been on Vzi a few days and people are offering me the asking price without having seen it in the flesh....was wondering if they all knew something that I didn't. Was worried that I had underestimated the value of my car.

Posted by: stu - 01 April 2009 22:40:51
[quote=1inchwarrior] Gee thanks Stu, actually I'm on here asking for advice as it's only been on Vzi a few days and people are offering me the asking price without having seen it in the flesh....was wondering if they all knew something that I didn't. Was worried that I had underestimated the value of my car.[/quote] if someones offers you 6k for it take the money & run is my best advice lol

Posted by: 55Kab - 01 April 2009 22:43:57
[quote=1inchwarrior]It's an original UK RHD, someone transfered the orignal reg many years ago (I have all the documentation from the DVLA) it's now on a Mercedes I believe. Does that have any bearing on the value??[/quote] I think so. Without its original reg it's worth more than an Aussie or SA RHD.

Posted by: 55Kab - 01 April 2009 22:48:11
[quote=stu][quote=1inchwarrior]to be fair this car has no originality left, wrong colour, wrong wheels, repro wings, repro running boards, retrimmed interior, repainted steering wheel, wrong horn push, wrong gear stick etc etc[/quote] Little harsh there Stu. After all, for a lot of people it's a nice looking Bug, it's a UK RHD car and is pre Aug-55 so has the nice bits, ribbed doors, batwing, hearts etc. Unless you're really anal (like me! :wink: ) repro wings and boards don't matter, certainly a repainted steering wheel doesn't and wheels, horn push and shifter are all easy change items that are relatively easy to find.

Posted by: 55Kab - 01 April 2009 22:48:11

[quote=stu][quote=1inchwarrior]to be fair this car has no originality left, wrong colour, wrong wheels, repro wings, repro running boards, retrimmed interior, repainted steering wheel, wrong horn push, wrong gear stick etc etc[/quote] Little harsh there Stu. After all, for a lot of people it's a nice looking Bug, it's a UK RHD car and is pre Aug-55 so has the nice bits, ribbed doors, batwing, hearts etc. Unless you're really anal (like me! :wink: ) repro wings and boards don't matter, certainly a repainted steering wheel doesn't and wheels, horn push and shifter are all easy change items that are relatively easy to find.

Posted by: pre67vw - 01 April 2009 23:32:07
[quote=55Kab] repro wings and boards don't matter, certainly a repainted steering wheel doesn't and wheels, horn push and shifter are all easy change items that are relatively easy to find.[/quote] I think these things certainly do matter when putting a value on a classic, I think it's priced about right at the moment for what it is - but I'd value it slightly higher if it was more original. OK, wheels don't matter too much because they're easily changed, but colour is not easy to fix, and original wings matter a lot on an early oval. Looks like a nice car though, even if there seems to be something broken on the suspension :wink:

Posted by: pre67vw - 01 April 2009 23:32:07

[quote=55Kab] repro wings and boards don't matter, certainly a repainted steering wheel doesn't and wheels, horn push and shifter are all easy change items that are relatively easy to find.[/quote] I think these things certainly do matter when putting a value on a classic, I think it's priced about right at the moment for what it is - but I'd value it slightly higher if it was more original. OK, wheels don't matter too much because they're easily changed, but colour is not easy to fix, and original wings matter a lot on an early oval. Looks like a nice car though, even if there seems to be something broken on the suspension :wink:

Posted by: 55Kab - 01 April 2009 23:40:00
Agree totally Rob. My comments were in respect of the majority who will not be as concerned as "us" about non original wings and probably colour.

Posted by: stu - 01 April 2009 23:43:17
[quote=55Kab] Little harsh there Stu. After all, for a lot of people it's a nice looking Bug, it's a UK RHD car and is pre Aug-55 so has the nice bits, ribbed doors, batwing, hearts etc. Unless you're really anal (like me! :wink: ) repro wings and boards don't matter, certainly a repainted steering wheel doesn't and wheels, horn push and shifter are all easy change items that are relatively easy to find.[/quote] you cant be that anal if repro wings, running boards, repainted wheel, horn push, wheels dont matter!, for 6k i'd want all those parts original...! it wasnt meant as harsh, just pointing out all the wrong stuff on it, he was asking for a valuation, 6k for a car with all this wrong stuff is way overpriced in my opnion, we dont even no what condition the body shells in?, it could be a patchwork quilt of welds underneath all that repro carpet.

Posted by: stu - 01 April 2009 23:43:17

[quote=55Kab] Little harsh there Stu. After all, for a lot of people it's a nice looking Bug, it's a UK RHD car and is pre Aug-55 so has the nice bits, ribbed doors, batwing, hearts etc. Unless you're really anal (like me! :wink: ) repro wings and boards don't matter, certainly a repainted steering wheel doesn't and wheels, horn push and shifter are all easy change items that are relatively easy to find.[/quote] you cant be that anal if repro wings, running boards, repainted wheel, horn push, wheels dont matter!, for 6k i'd want all those parts original...! it wasnt meant as harsh, just pointing out all the wrong stuff on it, he was asking for a valuation, 6k for a car with all this wrong stuff is way overpriced in my opnion, we dont even no what condition the body shells in?, it could be a patchwork quilt of welds underneath all that repro carpet.

Posted by: stu - 01 April 2009 23:48:03
wrong headlights too...

Posted by: pre67vw - 01 April 2009 23:48:33
[quote=55Kab] My comments were in respect of the majority who will not be as concerned as "us" about non original wings and probably colour.[/quote] "us"? I thought you were one of them there resto-cal people :lol: obviously not [i]that[/i] concerned with originality?? :lol:

Posted by: pre67vw - 01 April 2009 23:51:45
[quote=stu] 6k for a car with all this wrong stuff is way overpriced in my opnion..[/quote] I would agree except that it's a RHD pre '55 grooved doors & hearts model, which I think bumps it's value up compared to a LHD '56-'57

Posted by: harveypj - 01 April 2009 23:53:33
Agree with 55Kab, plus the fact it has never been a 'basket case' which is a BIG plus in my book. For the majority of the scene where 'Resto' is king, its a fully sorted car for reasonable money. I best add, for my money it would have to be original (proper), but my point is most arnt as bothered. You only had to look around the Volksworld show to realise that.

Posted by: stu - 01 April 2009 23:56:20
[quote=pre67vw] I would agree except that it's a RHD pre '55 grooved doors & hearts model, which I think bumps it's value up compared to a LHD '56-'57 [/quote] yeh still desirable, but it would of been far nicer if left in its original ultramaroon

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 02 April 2009 00:09:17
Stu, although it's not on the car I still have the original gearstick. As for the colour the previous owner, who collected all the history of the vehicle from the DVLA thought (how I have no idea) that he was returning it to it's orignal colour as the log book stated Maroon, but that was only because it had lost the Ultra bit after the 1st time it changed hands. It was Ultramaroon until he had it resprayed. Doh!!! oh and stock height just as you'd of liked it.

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 02 April 2009 00:09:17

Stu, although it's not on the car I still have the original gearstick. As for the colour the previous owner, who collected all the history of the vehicle from the DVLA thought (how I have no idea) that he was returning it to it's orignal colour as the log book stated Maroon, but that was only because it had lost the Ultra bit after the 1st time it changed hands. It was Ultramaroon until he had it resprayed. Doh!!! oh and stock height just as you'd of liked it.

Posted by: topolino - 02 April 2009 08:28:18
there are allready pics of this car on stus looking for a oval thread when it was ultramaroon showing how solid and unwelded this car is,original rhd, ok its modified a bit, thats more easy to put right if you want a stocker than welding up a rusty shell, a welded restored car never seems to drive as nice as a unwelded car thats vw or any other car, the price is fine seeing warick gooch,s car went for £11,000 and evil bens old car went for £17,000 they were both modified as well, try finding a unwelded solid uk car any cheaper, good luck with the sale and good luck to anyone who thinks they can find a uk rustfree car for £2,000.

Posted by: topolino - 02 April 2009 08:28:18

there are allready pics of this car on stus looking for a oval thread when it was ultramaroon showing how solid and unwelded this car is,original rhd, ok its modified a bit, thats more easy to put right if you want a stocker than welding up a rusty shell, a welded restored car never seems to drive as nice as a unwelded car thats vw or any other car, the price is fine seeing warick gooch,s car went for £11,000 and evil bens old car went for £17,000 they were both modified as well, try finding a unwelded solid uk car any cheaper, good luck with the sale and good luck to anyone who thinks they can find a uk rustfree car for £2,000.

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 02 April 2009 09:46:47
any chance of putting a link to that thread / pics please, I've looked but don't seem to be able to find it.

Posted by: VW Stan - 02 April 2009 10:13:18
[quote=1inchwarrior]any chance of putting a link to that thread / pics please, I've looked but don't seem to be able to find it.[/quote] [url=https://forums.pre67vw.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=16572&p=11]have a look at page 11...[/url]

Posted by: 55Kab - 02 April 2009 10:59:46
[quote=pre67vw]"us"? I thought you were one of them there resto-cal people :lol: obviously not [i]that[/i] concerned with originality?? :lol: [/quote] I am, but I do like and appreciate stock and you never know what will end up in my garage! :lol: BTW - Come and have a look at the Cabrio and I think you'll find I located the correct wings and bonnet and it will be painted it's original colour! :wink:

Posted by: 55Kab - 02 April 2009 10:59:46

[quote=pre67vw]"us"? I thought you were one of them there resto-cal people :lol: obviously not [i]that[/i] concerned with originality?? :lol: [/quote] I am, but I do like and appreciate stock and you never know what will end up in my garage! :lol: BTW - Come and have a look at the Cabrio and I think you'll find I located the correct wings and bonnet and it will be painted it's original colour! :wink:

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 02 April 2009 11:08:05
[quote=VW Stan] [url=https://forums.pre67vw.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=16572&p=11]have a look at page 11...[/url][/quote] Thanks Stan, but page 11 of what???? Ignore that, just found it :)

Posted by: 1inchwarrior - 02 April 2009 11:10:20
Dam.. I thought there were pics out there that an old owner had put on then for a second...nevermind.

Posted by: stu - 02 April 2009 13:50:34
[quote=1inchwarrior]Stu, although it's not on the car I still have the original gearstick. As for the colour the previous owner, who collected all the history of the vehicle from the DVLA thought (how I have no idea) that he was returning it to it's orignal colour as the log book stated Maroon, but that was only because it had lost the Ultra bit after the 1st time it changed hands. It was Ultramaroon until he had it resprayed. Doh!!! oh and stock height just as you'd of liked it.[/quote] i no it was ultramaroon before he painted it, i remember him painting it & thinking this guys crazy!!, it was an original paint factory colour car, (inside anyway) before he ruined it, the repro interior, wheels & wings have done it no favours either, ive seen pics of the front of the heater channels & front bulkhead, but ive not seen pics of the rear (where they always rust out), is it as clean there too?, has it been plated by the rear torsion tubes? or the corners of the rear bulkhead or inner rear wings?

Posted by: stu - 02 April 2009 13:50:34

[quote=1inchwarrior]Stu, although it's not on the car I still have the original gearstick. As for the colour the previous owner, who collected all the history of the vehicle from the DVLA thought (how I have no idea) that he was returning it to it's orignal colour as the log book stated Maroon, but that was only because it had lost the Ultra bit after the 1st time it changed hands. It was Ultramaroon until he had it resprayed. Doh!!! oh and stock height just as you'd of liked it.[/quote] i no it was ultramaroon before he painted it, i remember him painting it & thinking this guys crazy!!, it was an original paint factory colour car, (inside anyway) before he ruined it, the repro interior, wheels & wings have done it no favours either, ive seen pics of the front of the heater channels & front bulkhead, but ive not seen pics of the rear (where they always rust out), is it as clean there too?, has it been plated by the rear torsion tubes? or the corners of the rear bulkhead or inner rear wings?

Posted by: Ovalbug - 02 April 2009 20:51:51
If it was my car and was offered £6K for it I'd honestly take the money :wink: . Am not kocking the car here, as I think it's lovely , but although it is an original UK car there is a fair bit that isn't to the original spec eg the upholstery and paint. The classic car price guides regard any car that has been stripped of their original plates and re-registered with an age-related plate as being worth up to 20% less than a vehicle with its original number..... Adding all this up I think you've set a realistic price and someone will undoubtedly get a nice 'sorted' vehicle for the money.......... :wink:

Posted by: Ovalbug - 02 April 2009 20:51:51

If it was my car and was offered £6K for it I'd honestly take the money :wink: . Am not kocking the car here, as I think it's lovely , but although it is an original UK car there is a fair bit that isn't to the original spec eg the upholstery and paint. The classic car price guides regard any car that has been stripped of their original plates and re-registered with an age-related plate as being worth up to 20% less than a vehicle with its original number..... Adding all this up I think you've set a realistic price and someone will undoubtedly get a nice 'sorted' vehicle for the money.......... :wink:

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