I have this question:
As you all know, I love Hebmüllers type 14a beetles. I am looking for one since the animals were still abble to talk.
Now due to the low prices and overload on advertises for “hebs for sale” I did not buy such a car yet.. In most cases the color was not my favorit color or the price was ridiculous low…
Now I was wondering : If I made myself such a car, like they did 62 years ago, with self educated coach built technique , with hand forming tools like in the old days to create a type 14a copy as accurate as possible,with bad weldings like they did years ago, with bad painting and bad doorsag, could I still post here in the coachbuilt forum or will I be banned to other places.
So my question is: What if?
Let me know what you think of it before I get my hammer and dolly.
Greets Peter
Posted by: JD - 15 November 2010 20:49:00
They weren´t hand formed back then either.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 15 November 2010 21:05:36
[quote=JD]They weren´t hand formed back then either.[/quote]
The first ones were....all made by hand. Only after the fire the press was used to form the engine covers.
Posted by: JD - 15 November 2010 21:14:49
[quote=zelensis61]The first ones were....all made by hand. Only after the fire the press was used to form the engine covers.[/quote]
Seriously?! They hand beat those lids?
Posted by: oval56 - 16 November 2010 10:58:45
do it of you haven't don it yet :wink: :shock:
.In most cases the color was not my favorit color or the price was ridiculous low…
....
:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :beer:
Posted by: brille52 - 16 November 2010 18:34:03
Peter !
I know, you`re an artist !! Can`t wait to see you put the hammer down !! :wink: You can do it !!!! :beer:
a8)
Posted by: zelensis61 - 16 November 2010 18:50:00
[quote=JD]Seriously?! They hand beat those lids?[/quote]
Actualy not, the first one were, then the pre production models were assembled out of several pieces and welded together. Not sure if they were cut up parts from front but obviously they were new parts in it. They certain started with a split decklid.
Actualy aal the parts of a Type 14a are simple to make....cut, bend, twist and hammer them in form:lol: . The complexe forms are mostly made out of several simple parts:idea: .
Posted by: zelensis61 - 16 November 2010 19:44:47
see the weld? :shock: [ATTACH]5059[/Attach]
Posted by: JD - 16 November 2010 21:06:28
[quote=zelensis61]Actualy not, the first one were, then the pre production models were assembled out of several pieces and welded together. Not sure if they were cut up parts from front but obviously they were new parts in it. They certain started with a split decklid.
Actualy aal the parts of a Type 14a are simple to make....cut, bend, twist and hammer them in form:lol: . The complexe forms are mostly made out of several simple parts:idea: . [/quote]
"Simple to make"?!? :shock:
Simple to make if you are a skilled metal worker and have access to an English wheel.
I admire that you want to do this, but I´m sure you don´t want to underestimate how difficult it will be.
Interesting to see that they were originally welded like that.
Posted by: SplitPersonality - 16 November 2010 23:14:57
[quote=zelensis61]I have this question:
Now I was wondering : If I made myself such a car, like they did 62 years ago, with self educated coach built technique , with hand forming tools like in the old days to create a type 14a copy as accurate as possible,with bad weldings like they did years ago, with bad painting and bad doorsag, could I still post here in the coachbuilt forum or will I be banned to other places.
[/quote]
Well...I think the answer is very easy. You will end building a great looking reproduction of a Type 14A. And will have to be excluded from any type of original Hebmuller-gathering..
Now...if you had a chassis number and a history to start it off with...you would be "reconstructing" a Type 14A....and then you would be allowed into the central square in Hessisch.
But again....this is the "axe and handle"-debate which has now definitive answers..
Posted by: heb623 - 17 November 2010 16:56:01
Yes Peter, the times that people phoned you to ask if you would like to buy a (complete) Hebmuller for €7.500,- are defenitely behind us!!! :oops:
I think I was (one of) the last!:roll:
Nobody knows, but I have a second Heb overhere?!?:shock:
Yes, the one living in that box!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: pre67vw - 17 November 2010 17:12:37
[quote=heb623]the times that people phoned you to ask if you would like to buy a (complete) Hebmuller for €7.500,- are defenitely behind us!!! :oops:
[/quote]
How much?? I didn't realise they were that expensive!!
Posted by: heb623 - 17 November 2010 18:44:17
:lol:
Back in 1998!!!
:twisted: ET
Posted by: zelensis61 - 17 November 2010 19:46:19
[quote=heb623]:lol:
Back in 1998!!!
:twisted: ET
[/quote]
I got an offer for one at 10.000 Euro 5 years ago, sadly the color was not my favorit. And I was the second one to call the phone nr of the seller.:evil:
Well it seems that opinions are different as I expected.
Most say go for it and some say I will be banned forever....Well, I need to think it over again before I start with something.
I'll give up on searching one to buy for myself...I'll never find one in my favorite color...Orange :lol:
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Posted by: heb623 - 17 November 2010 23:03:38
Waw Peter, a Hebhmuller coupé!!:shock:
And you did not buy that? You must be very in love with your money, otherwise you bought it straight away, or not?:lol: :lol:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: GKL 7 - 17 November 2010 23:32:59
Peter is this a picture of Et's heb you used to show JD the welds???
I ask, because i see it is full of Bondo:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [ATTACH]5061[/Attach]
Posted by: JD - 18 November 2010 08:39:41
[quote='50 Karmann]Peter is this a picture of Et's heb you used to show JD the welds???
I ask, because i see it is full of Bondo:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote]
"What if a Hebmüller style type 14A is made from bondo?":d
Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 November 2010 09:18:12
[quote=JD]"What if a Hebmüller style type 14A is made from bondo?":d [/quote]
If that's OK,Peter could get some expert help.Et can't be far away,Belgium is not the biggest country.:twisted:
Posted by: heb623 - 18 November 2010 09:34:27
[quote='50 Karmann]Peter is this a picture of Et's heb you used to show JD the welds???
I ask, because i see it is full of Bondo:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote]
Haha George, what kind of comedian you are?!?:lol:
:twisted: ET
As you can see on pic below this isn't a proper way to attach things!:shock:
I didn't do it,[-x
my Belgian mechanic didn't do it![-x
Who did it than?:cry:
A knowledge for me, question for you? :roll:
The man who did it knows it but he won't tell it:shock: and the man or men who are resposable for it maybe don't know it!!:roll:
Atleast till now!!! [ATTACH]5062[/Attach]
Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 November 2010 10:26:50
It wasn't me either.But i could help you put it right.:d
What are those bolts for Et,did you say it was for the pump or something for your gearbox??Shame,because the holes will need welding and then the pan repainting and then.....Oh! we may aswell just restore the whole car:wink:
Posted by: heb623 - 18 November 2010 10:40:02
[quote='50 Karmann]Oh! we may aswell just restore the whole car:wink:
[/quote]
Oh George you devil!!:evil:
I might have something in my left pocket for you!!:shock:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 November 2010 11:00:45
[quote=heb623]
I might have something in my left pocket for you!!:shock:[/quote]
:lol:
I hope you are well my friend:wink:
Posted by: zelensis61 - 18 November 2010 19:35:05
[quote='50 Karmann]Peter is this a picture of Et's heb you used to show JD the welds???
I ask, because i see it is full of Bondo:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote]
George, You must know that I am not alowed to use picts of Et's Heb for education purpose.
He whould probably says that I need to pay him royalty's....:beer:
Besides, this part is from an early Hebmuller....Et's owns one of the younger Hebs...
Like you compaire a Karmann split convert and a karmann 1979, 1303 convert...
First year of production and last year of production...:lol:
Greets.
I just can not make my mind up on what to do....I want a type 14a, but due to the overwhelming numbers on offering hebmullers I can not chose.:roll: wich one I will buy.
Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 November 2010 19:37:49
[quote=zelensis61]
I just can not make my mind up on what to do....I want a type 14a, but due to the overwhelming numbers on offering hebmullers I can not chose.:roll: wich one I will buy.[/quote]
Yes,that one is a big problem.
It's just so hard to decide.
Posted by: brille52 - 18 November 2010 20:52:00
[quote=zelensis61]
I just can not make my mind up on what to do....I want a type 14a, [/quote]
Thatswhy I say : BUILD ONE ! I know FOR SURE, you can do that! Then,at least, you can choose the colour YOU LIKE !!!! :wink:
a8)
Posted by: heb623 - 18 November 2010 21:04:58
[quote=zelensis61]
Besides, this part is from an early Hebmuller....Et's owns one of the younger Hebs...
Like you compaire a Karmann split convert and a karmann 1979, 1303 convert...
First year of production and last year of production...:lol:
quote]
[b]To Peter:[/b] Start of production or end of construction, what does that matter?
Atleast I can say I have a Hebmuller!!!
Its stil better to have one of the end of production
than to have none of the beginning of prodution!!!!
[b]To George:[/b] In case you were wondering what was in my other(right)pocket?
[u][b]Ask Peter he is going to get it!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/u]
:twisted: ET
Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 November 2010 22:06:05
[quote=heb623]
[u][b]Ask Peter he is going to get it!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/u][/quote]
Yeah!!That's not right Et saying your Heb is like a 1303:lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by: zelensis61 - 20 November 2010 09:25:44
Thanks for the input of all of you ... Even ET's input is precious:beer:
I have made up my mind and I will try it.
Now I am off to my shop and think on how I can start...8)
Posted by: heb623 - 20 November 2010 18:51:55
Don't!:shock:
ET:twisted:
Posted by: pp - 20 November 2010 20:01:29
[quote=zelensis61]I have made up my mind and I will try it.
Now I am off to my shop and think on how I can start...8) [/quote]
Well Peter... later, when your own 'personal Heb' is ready, we will look back to this topic for the date of 20th of November, the day you have started building your 14a from scratch ;-)
Succes with this project, if there's one person who can do it, it must be you 8)
Regards,
Paul
Posted by: zelensis61 - 21 November 2010 11:36:18
[quote=heb623
[b]To Peter:[/b] Start of production or end of construction, what does that matter?
Atleast I can say I have a Hebmuller!!!
Its stil better to have one of the end of production
than to have none of the beginning of prodution!!!!
:twisted: ET[/quote]
I agree ET, You have indeed a Hebmuller, a real one, Bought cheap :lol: and restored precious ( even twice :wink: ) . A very fine and correct car. And I love it.
If I succeed, I will have a simular looking car, made with my own hands in my barn.
The difference is that the joy to make plans, parts, trying to create it and hopefull finish it, is more satisfying I guess and hope.
And Iff I can finish it, I will never ever tell someone that it is a real Hebmuller or an original type 14a.[-x It will be just a replica of the original replica. ( as a heb is in fact a recplica from the radclyff roadster..:lol:
Now before I start, I need to find out what was ET Hiding in his pocket..?:shock:
Posted by: vintagevw - 21 November 2010 13:37:01
You won't feel any diffrence when you driving it, so much fun! :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 21 November 2010 14:38:00
Peter
I have a picture of what Et has in his pocket for you,i don't know your e-mail and i don't think PM's will take pictures.And i'm not posting it here:oops:
One thing that has come to my attention over you building your own Heb replica.If you of all people can not find a real Hebmuller for youself,how the hell can i find one:cry:
Posted by: zelensis61 - 21 November 2010 14:43:31
George, The first one that show up for sale you have a mail...Iff I know it is for sale. Not like the last 3 that are sold and only knew when they were delivered.
You can send Et's gift to type14a(at)live.be :?
The idea of making one came when I found this part somewhere....:shock: [ATTACH]5067[/Attach]
Posted by: GKL 7 - 21 November 2010 14:59:44
Thankyou Peter.
I have forwarded Et's gift for you:wink:
Posted by: 55Kab - 21 November 2010 18:31:19
[quote=zelensis61]as a heb is in fact a recplica from the radclyff roadster[/quote]
Well then Peter, if you're going to all this trouble, why don't you make a replica of the radclyff roadster? That would be cool and as far as I'm aware has never been done before.
Posted by: JD - 21 November 2010 18:35:33
[quote=55Kab]Well then Peter, if you're going to all this trouble, why don't you make a replica of the radclyff roadster? That would be cool and as far as I'm aware has never been done before.
[/quote]
Hebster 52 on here has been building one for a long time. Will be good if he gets it done.
Posted by: 55Kab - 21 November 2010 18:47:47
[quote=JD]Hebster 52 on here has been building one for a long time. Will be good if he gets it done.[/quote]
photos?
Posted by: JD - 21 November 2010 18:50:21
https://medlem.spray.se/hebster52/The%20Hebster52.html
Well, Heb prototype replica. Not Radclyffe car. My mistake.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 26 November 2010 17:52:24
I know Kristian is making the Hebster...I like it.
I also know that in the States a guy is trying to make a radclyffe roadster copy. Not sure how far he is.
I also know some pretty good looking replica's that are made all over the world.
My mind is set....I'll go for it.
So , the pict I posted here above of part 14-802.777 is not from an original part but made by me. It was something that I did to try out:? .
Now I'll try to post some picts of the progress here if anyone is interested to see them. Just let me know.:wink:
The first part that I try to copy is the air intake...It is a part that is not that simple to make. Here is the start of what I am up to...
Please do not point the mistakes:oops: .. I know how to weld but sometimes the result is not like you want it to be. Trial and error I guess.
I start with some air intake from a 1303 engine cover, but only the outside part of the 4 intake groups. These are already unde a certain angle on the outside. Cut them, use the center part to get them at the right length and then weld them in the center using a wooden buck on wich wooden spacer are nailed to help the lining and prevent wrapping...Once the welds are done, the grinding took place causing also wrapping...
The result is : burnt fingers, burnt Buck, lots of wrap, lots of grinding and a silly and useless result...:x
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Posted by: zelensis61 - 29 November 2010 16:47:02
As I decided to go for it, I 'll post picts of the progress. Some will come quick, other will take longer. Due to lack of time I can only work in weekend once and a while. So progress will go slow.
I whould thank some hebowners who gave me some detailed picts and advise also for letting me take some dimensions.
The intake part is made out of 2 parts with assembled grills. I welded them to a pannel and from a mile away it looks good...for a blind man:roll: . I need to re-think the making of those section.
I know, I could buy all the parts from Dr D and I like them but then I will not end with a self made one? It will be a self welded one and whould be half satisfied.
Tips are welcome.:idea:
Meanwhile I also made some reinforcement parts that are more simple to make.
Greets. [ATTACH]5078[/Attach] [ATTACH]5079[/Attach] [ATTACH]5080[/Attach] [ATTACH]5081[/Attach] [ATTACH]5082[/Attach]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 30 November 2010 19:20:52
Well, Obviously, I am not satisfied with the result. Why....look at the picts above. To much trouble for so less result.:evil:
But, I tried another way. So this is what I did.
Drilled holes 6mm , punched them deeper with a 10 mm conic punch over a drilled plate with 12 mm holes. This creates a "deep" hole of 10 mm.
Cut it in length in half, used one half on top, one below . Made out of flat sheetmetal strips some u-bars, cut them at length and welded them in the same wooden buck as the first try.
Grinded the welds and it looks better as the first attempt.
Made 2 halfs of the air intake and welded them in a plate with center bar....
We are getting there. Slow but sure, and surely slow. :roll:
Guess what? The angle of the air intake is sooooooo :oops: wrong.:evil:
I could kick myself.[-x
But Now I know how this can be done 8) . [ATTACH]5083[/Attach] [ATTACH]5084[/Attach] [ATTACH]5085[/Attach] [ATTACH]5086[/Attach] [ATTACH]5087[/Attach]
Posted by: oldbugger - 02 December 2010 16:12:31
why didn't you you a larger piece of sheet metal [ATTACH]5099[/Attach] [ATTACH]5100[/Attach] [ATTACH]5101[/Attach] [ATTACH]5102[/Attach] [ATTACH]5103[/Attach]
Posted by: oldbugger - 02 December 2010 16:16:44
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Posted by: GKL 7 - 02 December 2010 16:34:34
That's fine work Old bugger.
Posted by: oldbugger - 02 December 2010 16:42:27
project is being completed for its new owner at https://www.islandaircooled.com/ also at https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=rgd&show_results=summary [ATTACH]5109[/Attach] [ATTACH]5110[/Attach] [ATTACH]5111[/Attach] [ATTACH]5112[/Attach] [ATTACH]5113[/Attach]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 02 December 2010 18:50:18
Thanks, For the advise...:beer:
Your car looks stunning and spot on. The last roof bow in wood however looks a bit to round. But then again, it is your car. Not mine. Wish I was that far for the moment that I could say....8) paint it.
But that is goint to far ahead.
The roof frame looks very simular to a real heb. Did you copied it from a real car? :?:
So when I looked at the air intake " take 2" I noticed the angle that was wrong.:? :evil:
Thus gave me no other option then to go for "take 3". :roll:
With the marvelous cossy weather now ( -8 ° celcius and 10 cm of snow in a non heated barn) I took the task to do it over. Working with iron is so nice for your hands in the cold[-x .
One difference....I tought , when I could punch the holes, I could bend the u-bars between...Why not do it in one piece....no welding or grinding.
Here are the picts.
The first pict is the try-out for the system, mould and contra mould on a wast sheetmetal. The other picts speak for themself. Now I am happy with the result.:lol:
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Posted by: oldbugger - 02 December 2010 19:05:52
nicely done Peter . Did my best on the top bow as I have never seen a real heb in person just studied pics I built a few differt bows I was happy with the last one in the first pic [ATTACH]5125[/Attach] [ATTACH]5126[/Attach] [ATTACH]5127[/Attach] [ATTACH]5128[/Attach]
Posted by: oval56 - 02 December 2010 20:49:26
holy shit... peter, the sheet metal god... stunnig build of the reargutter:shock: :beer:
Posted by: heb623 - 03 December 2010 08:54:15
[quote=zelensis61]
The roof frame looks very simular to a real heb.
I noticed the angle that was wrong.:? :evil:
[/quote]
Peter, that's why it's called a Hebmuller style type 14a made from stratch!!!
Very nice work, I am jalous to all the skilled work I see here but wouldn't it be better to open a special forum for this kind of cars?:lol:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: Ovaltine - 03 December 2010 14:09:34
[quote=heb623]Very nice work, I am jalous to all the skilled work I see here but wouldn't it be better to open a special forum for this kind of cars?:lol:
:twisted: ET
[/quote]
There's some skilled craftsmen in the vintage VW scene, no mistake. Its not going to be long before someone builds their own Beetle prototype as VW have now done :beer:
Posted by: heb623 - 03 December 2010 15:24:53
[quote=Ovaltine] Its not going to be long before someone builds their own Beetle prototype as VW have now done :beer:
[/quote]
You?:shock:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: Ovaltine - 04 December 2010 15:43:19
[quote=heb623]You?:shock: [/quote]
Er, no...:?
Posted by: Next_Racer - 07 December 2010 16:08:07
Very nice work. I will follow you're built. It is nice to see someone is taking the time to think things over.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 11 December 2010 20:45:49
update:
After that I got the airintake fixed in a way I can live with, I attacked some sheet metal for the back seat area...
Some parts are quick to make, others take some time.
As for the coming weeks, I will have not much time to work in the barn but I will draw and prepare some paterns.
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Posted by: oval56 - 12 December 2010 11:26:36
nice work peter :beer: looking foorward to see it finished :-)
Posted by: vintagevw - 12 December 2010 14:23:52
Nice! :beer:
Posted by: brille52 - 12 December 2010 15:00:35
I told you : you`re an artist !! Good job !! Next time, you will come to BZ with your own build Heb : doesn`t that sound GREAT ? :d
a8)
Posted by: zelensis61 - 12 December 2010 15:06:56
Ahh Andreas, SERVUS, Das ist gut. Aber dan must ich einen anhanger mitnemen...die wein schmeckt zoooooo Lecker aus BZ kellerei...
Gibst mir ein bischen zeit und dan fahre ich...
So , That is a deal, but then I have to tow a trailer to haul back some wine...the wine from the BZ wineproducers is so damn good.
Give some time and I'll roll it.
Posted by: 56ovalrhd - 12 December 2010 16:38:58
Peter,
Nice work. You are obviously passionate about this car and with the skills you have, I'm sure the car will be everything an original Hebmuller intended to be 8) It's all in the details!
Posted by: zelensis61 - 12 December 2010 19:09:27
Due to the support here I could work on a bit..not much but enough for this year.
The rear seat is getting in shape, the parts fit and I started on the front reinforcements...Not finished yet but getting in the near.
not much of typing as my arm hurts a bit of hammering.:lol:
Greetings. [ATTACH]5195[/Attach] [ATTACH]5196[/Attach] [ATTACH]5197[/Attach] [ATTACH]5198[/Attach] [ATTACH]5199[/Attach]
Posted by: GKL 7 - 12 December 2010 21:18:02
Hi Peter
Good work,keep going:wink:
What are you using for a donor car?That is, for the base of your build.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 13 December 2010 18:20:25
[quote='50 Karmann]Hi Peter
Good work,keep going:wink:
What are you using for a donor car?That is, for the base of your build.[/quote]
I was thinking on a type 181...this is of the factory without a roof...:lol: But that was to easy...
Next on the list was a mexico beetle. But that included to much work in replacing rot metal :roll:
No kidding, I have since years ( I think it since 1984, I am that old yes ) an oval from 54 that was abused by kids...that means lots of dents in the roof, and believe me, those are dents like made from an elephant. Where did I read that before?
So that is my basis . Ribed doors oval, but the dash will be replaced by a regular dash for such a project. In my barn I have a type 2 dash in spare so....that one will not be used[-x . I will make a split dash I guess.
Now I need to go back to my drawing table to work some things out. It freezes here and inside it is much better. To damn cold for beating metal sheets.
It is odd that I am now drawing the parts for the roof and I am still making parts for the body.
Greets. [ATTACH]5200[/Attach] [ATTACH]5201[/Attach] [ATTACH]5202[/Attach] [ATTACH]5203[/Attach] [ATTACH]5204[/Attach]
Posted by: heb410 - 18 December 2010 07:15:36
Hello Peter, to built a fake heb you have to kill a split!
and you will not stand in the line for the next world record attempt(when ever)
But then again lots of people are mad about the cars even the fake ones.
See the add on thesamba for the blue one!
I prefer restoring an original car.
Rudy
Posted by: heb623 - 18 December 2010 11:06:35
[quote=heb410]
I prefer restoring an original car.
[/quote]
I think he (Peter) prefered that too!:wink:
Why didn't you sold one of yours to him? You have or had two of them!:shock:
I see he didn't like the color![-x (read to expensive)
:twisted: ET
Posted by: zelensis61 - 18 December 2010 13:08:33
Thanks for the help ET .
But indeed, the color was not my favorite of 410 when it was offered :lol: .
I have looked for a real cheap one( did'nt we all dit this ) and none came up for sale in the right color combo:roll: ...
Several years ago I missed the only cheap one within a day...The buyer payed a fair price for a wrecked, clipped heb on a 67 karmann body ....after finding out the paperwork of the original hebmuller was included.
It was less than 10000 euro :shock:
I know I will be excluded from meetings when it comes to original hebmullers. But I do not care. I want the looks and the knowledge that I made it on my own.
And like Pascal wrote....when driving it...no difference in the feeling, sound and smell. :beer:
Posted by: heb623 - 18 December 2010 13:17:36
Ooops what a mistake to make!
:twisted: ET
Posted by: zelensis61 - 18 December 2010 13:30:03
Yess it was a mistake but not mine...
The man who knew about the car'sale let me know by mail without pict. I request picts and the next day they are in the mailbox. Open them, grab the phone and call to hear the car was sold the day before at a point even I did not knew about the car'sale.
I guess it was ment to be like that.
All other cars I have seen were to ugly..:lol:
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Posted by: heb623 - 18 December 2010 17:16:16
[quote=zelensis61]
And like Pascal wrote....when driving it...no difference in the feeling, sound and smell. :beer: [/quote]
I am not agreed with Pascals saying![-x
A "Hebmuller" or a lady aged 25:d and a "I would like to be a Hebmuller" or a lady aged 95!:cry:
Both are women, just like the Hebmuller and fake Hebmuller are Volkswagens,
but I think there is a big difference in feeling, sound and smell!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't know what you like but I would know who I like to have a ride with!!!:oops:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 December 2010 18:22:26
[quote=heb623]I am not agreed with Pascals saying![-x
A "Hebmuller" or a lady aged 25:d and a "I would like to be a Hebmuller" or a lady aged 95!:cry:
Both are women, just like the Hebmuller and fake Hebmuller are Volkswagens,
but I think there is a big difference in feeling, sound and smell!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't know what you like but I would know who I like to have a ride with!!!:oops:
:twisted: ET[/quote]
:lol: :lol:
E.T You are Crazeee.
Posted by: oval56 - 18 December 2010 18:34:24
[quote=heb623]I am not agreed with Pascals saying![-x
A "Hebmuller" or a lady aged 25:d and a "I would like to be a Hebmuller" or a lady aged 95!:cry:
Both are women, just like the Hebmuller and fake Hebmuller are Volkswagens,
but I think there is a big difference in feeling, sound and smell!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't know what you like but I would know who I like to have a ride with!!!:oops:
:twisted: ET[/quote]
:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :beer: .. one question is lost... they do taste also different... the 25 year old lady or a real hebmüller or was it the other way around?
Posted by: heb623 - 18 December 2010 18:53:02
[quote='50 Karmann]:lol: :lol:
E.T You are Crazeee.
[/quote]
Thank you George!
That word coming out of your mouth sounds to me as a compliment!!!:wink:
[quote=oval56]:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :beer: .. one question is lost... they do taste also different... the 25 year old lady or a real hebmüller or was it the other way around?[/quote]
I am setteled! I don't need a Hebmuller nomore[-x , I have one!:p
And a lovely wife aswell!:wink:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: heb410 - 19 December 2010 17:42:20
hello ET and Peter,
i think that Peter is doing a great job!!! i cannot do that.
i cannot help that the cars are expensive.
Try to buy some parts!people rip you of!!
restoring 2 cars is not easy, but who knows how it is next year
have a good x-mas ans happy new year:p
[quote=heb623]I think he (Peter) prefered that too!:wink:
Why didn't you sold one of yours to him? You have or had two of them!:shock:
I see he didn't like the color![-x (read to expensive)
:twisted: ET[/quote]
[quote][/quote]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 19 December 2010 20:19:52
Hi, While it was to cold to work with sheetmetal and other irons, I started with some parts for the roof. You see the drawings above. well, With those I started on the lathe that is in a heated :lol: part in the barn. I used a round bar to make some special bolts and some excentric part that is needed to adjust the roof.
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Posted by: heb410 - 22 December 2010 18:06:32
hello
whats the colour of money??
Just found out how expensive a new roof can be!!!!:x
[quote=heb410]hello ET and Peter,
i think that Peter is doing a great job!!! i cannot do that.
i cannot help that the cars are expensive.
Try to buy some parts!people rip you of!!
restoring 2 cars is not easy, but who knows how it is next year
have a good x-mas ans happy new year:p
[/quote]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 22 December 2010 18:22:35
Hi Ruud, You mean the metal frame or the softtop in 3 layers?
The shop in Germany is pricy but....craftmanship has to be payed.
Not knowing where you asked or ordered.
Greetings.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 27 February 2011 15:57:01
Ehh Is was a like ages now that I worked on my project. Due to some work in house to overhaul a room for one of my daughters :thumbup: I started again.
I did not do much but have a lot of thinking and planning.
At this moment, All the parts are drawed in paper, I have most of the paterns and have scored some parts. I also got acces to a real one for some dimensions for the roof and other stuff.
After the panels are made in pre assemble modus, I will attack the roof. I have no time scedual but hope to finish it in the next 5 years....:cry:
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Posted by: heb623 - 04 March 2011 17:50:21
[quote=heb410]hello
whats the colour of money??
Just found out how expensive a new roof can be!!!!:x
[/quote]
Yeah I know
that the Dutch
are like the Scottish:
[b] a little bit stingy!!!:rofl: [/b]
Peter are you sure you are not a reincarnation of an old panel beater out of Bangladesh?:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Nice work!!!
:twisted: ET:p
Posted by: GKL 7 - 04 March 2011 18:02:08
You're talking Scottish here E.T.
Not just a "little bit"
You know like Dave,more like a BIG bit.:wink:
Posted by: heb623 - 04 March 2011 18:10:23
[quote='50 Karmann]You're talking Scottish here E.T.
Not just a "little bit"
You know like Dave,more like a BIG bit.:wink: [/quote]
Can't complain[-x about Dave,are you sure he is real Scottish?:?
:twisted: ET
Posted by: zelensis61 - 26 March 2011 08:17:45
Hello, there, sorry for the waiting on an update but due to an accident at work :x I have injuried my knie :omg: and I am at the moment slightly immobilised.
The work has stoped but not the thinking and drawing:thumbup: .
My best regards. Peter
Posted by: heb623 - 26 March 2011 11:09:28
[quote=zelensis61]I have injuried my knie :omg: [/quote]
Peter, thank God you only hurt you knie and not bumped with your head into something!:shock:
Otherwise it could have had happened that the stil remaining braincell's in your head were damaged byond repair so you couldn't think no more how to hold a pencil!!!:rofl:
:twisted: ET :lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by: brille52 - 29 April 2011 13:38:54
Hej Peter !
How`s your knee?
I`ve seen 3 Hebmüllers for sale the last weeks :shock: - now how about yours?? Any updates? Could you work on it again ? Can we all see it at Bad Camberg ? :wink: Must look great standing near VW Nr 006 !!8)
See us in June !!
a8)
Posted by: zelensis61 - 29 April 2011 19:27:19
[quote=brille52]Hej Peter !
How`s your knee?
I`ve seen 3 Hebmüllers for sale the last weeks :shock: - now how about yours?? Any updates? Could you work on it again ? Can we all see it at Bad Camberg ? :wink: Must look great standing near VW Nr 006 !!8)
See us in June !!
a8)
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Well, My knee is not that good:bored: ....I need to see another docter. On the calender I forsee some spare time....After a chirurg has cut it open to restore my knee :? . But that will be after BC :d
The last months, nothing happend in the barn. I hope everything is still there:omg:
Greetings Peter
Posted by: zelensis61 - 27 May 2011 21:24:29
Hello, While my knee is healing, I had some time to adjust some parts like the windowframe in front, the semapockets in the front and some othe work. I made some progress but on a slow way...surely but slow or is it slowly for sure?
A small bummer is that after one daughter is happy with her room...the oldest one wants also a overhauling:wink: . Breaking out the sealing, replace it with plasterboards, making her a balkony above her bed....new floors, insulation of the roof, new electro, ....Oh boy. There goes my dream for some months in the fridge as I can not refuse her [-x :thumbup:
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Posted by: heb623 - 28 May 2011 00:50:08
Nice job Peter!!:thumbup:
But there is something there of my Heb too you know? :p
:twisted: ET
Posted by: zelensis61 - 28 May 2011 08:09:44
I know, ET. The reversed mirror immage :wink: of the engine cover. Did you find that mirror immage part yet? What about the remains of those doors you had?
For now it is a GFK engine cover that I bought from late Guido( RIP) Etzhold. I will keep this on the car. The goal is to make a metal copy after I finished all the other parts.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 13 November 2011 20:08:57
:d I am back in buisiness. I took me a long time to deal with some work on the house and garden. Some things have priority.
The three lady's at home are happy with the small pool, a new floor in the garage, the new wooden fence , the solar panels and the new rooms. pfff:drool:
But after all that, I started again on my project. I was happy to get hold on some original parts from a heb in loan. I got the chance to use a roofframe as a template to make my own frame.
So here are some progress picts.
Like I said....built from scratch.:omg:
I started with a paper template, copied it to cardboard and then copied it to a metal plate that since long time was painted for another purpose.
The complicated roof frame is built with rather simple paterns. The bolts are home made, the main pivot part is a 100% copy of the black original. It need some minor tuning and grinding but I am happy with it. This part is 3 mm steel. The sheetmetal is 2 mm thick.
More to come soon. [ATTACH]6520[/Attach] [ATTACH]6521[/Attach] [ATTACH]6522[/Attach] [ATTACH]6523[/Attach] [ATTACH]6524[/Attach] [ATTACH]6525[/Attach]
Posted by: heb623 - 14 November 2011 06:08:35
:thumbup:
:twisted: ET
Posted by: AW - 14 November 2011 13:42:33
If you put in Magyar Hebmuller 1. On You tube he has two vidios of building one from scratch :shock: Not to standard speck but intresting non the less. You may have all ready seen it Still carnt cut and paste links :thumbdn: Hope some one puts a link in so you can see the car being built.
Andy W
Posted by: GKL 7 - 14 November 2011 15:44:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvBCdtFhdoI
There's also part 2&3
Posted by: zelensis61 - 14 November 2011 20:55:43
Thanks for the info but...:smile:
There is not much left over on the net that I did not see! Or it was posted while I was typing this:d
I had made litle progress this year. I need to get going again. The short part of the folding beam is the hardest one. It is a curved U shape in 2 mm thick steel. I made a template in wood with the same curve and width of the U shape. The wooden part was cut on the curve and reinforced with stripes of metal. between the 2 parts i could press the raw cut form and then hammerd the sides to create the curved U shape. After that, I trimmed down the excess material. The form is shown here before grinding some welds *Greetings. [ATTACH]6526[/Attach] [ATTACH]6528[/Attach] [ATTACH]6529[/Attach] [ATTACH]6530[/Attach]
Posted by: chubz-v-dubz - 15 May 2012 05:18:17
[quote=zelensis61]Thanks for the info but...:smile:
There is not much left over on the net that I did not see! Or it was posted while I was typing this:d
I had made litle progress this year. I need to get going again. The short part of the folding beam is the hardest one. It is a curved U shape in 2 mm thick steel. I made a template in wood with the same curve and width of the U shape. The wooden part was cut on the curve and reinforced with stripes of metal. between the 2 parts i could press the raw cut form and then hammerd the sides to create the curved U shape. After that, I trimmed down the excess material. The form is shown here before grinding some welds *Greetings. [/quote]
I could have bought the entire top frame irons from a guy here in the US 15 years ago for $500.. I am still kicking myself for not doing so. :cry: I see I have a lot of work to do for my replica Heb also.. NICE WORK! :thumbup:
Posted by: zelensis61 - 30 May 2012 21:45:17
It seems that It takes ages to do something on the car. This due to home improvements for the kids, the kitchen and livingroom. Those are done now so it is time to move one. Try fitting an original Hebmuller top that I could score. :beer: Thanks RdR. [ATTACH]7359[/Attach] [ATTACH]7360[/Attach]
thanks . It just need some paint to finish it...?:drool:
Year right, maybe in a few years. The time that is spend on this project is endless.
But everytime I do something...I did it.:d [ATTACH]7362[/Attach] [ATTACH]7363[/Attach]
Posted by: ascort - 31 May 2012 23:27:27
[quote=zelensis61]It seems that It takes ages to do something on the car. This due to home improvements for the kids, the kitchen and livingroom. Those are done now so it is time to move one. [/quote]
I personally think that Rob needs a new category. He has "What have you done on your car today". I think he should also have "What didn't you do on your car today due to domestic pressures" I would have no trouble posting to that on a regular basis!
Your project is looking good! Please keep posting details.
Posted by: oldbugger - 17 June 2012 15:44:38
this is where my old project at https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=RGD&show_results=summary [ATTACH]7411[/Attach]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 18 June 2012 20:04:36
Holy Moly...that came out nice. You make me envy...damnn I should go back in the barn and work on my project. Seen the picts on another forum. Real nice looking. Top job. Is it blue or black, as it is hard to see. Maybe it is my eyes...:beer:
Posted by: oldbugger - 19 June 2012 01:50:18
blue
Posted by: zelensis61 - 29 December 2012 19:40:20
As usual....slow progress due to other occupation. Some other cars of me needed attention and 3 ladys in the house needed attention to...
I managed to work a bit on the car.:thumbup: The spare wheel sheet metal was gone in the car so I need to make some sheets. The lower part and the one with the tabs are new made. Took me some time. Again, the tabs need to punched out so a tool was made. On weekday's, I think on how to make this or that. On saturday I try it out. Most of the time I only can work on the car in one afternoon on sat. That is not much.
Another part that is in the pipe line is the raingutter on the engine cover. I discovered that 3 styles are used. The assembled ones on the first batch of hebs, the pressed one on the later cars welded on the rear cowl and the one piece pressed together with the rear cowl. And this is only in a time gap of 1.5 years of production. Weird.
And I had the chance to score some parts...They are not the best parts but I have them. And those can be worked on in the house.:omg: The rear lights are self made. They are rough formed. The glass is original. I guess a 6 monthly update is my standard.:x [ATTACH]7994[/Attach] [ATTACH]7995[/Attach] [ATTACH]7996[/Attach] [ATTACH]7997[/Attach] [ATTACH]7998[/Attach]
Posted by: chubz-v-dubz - 30 December 2012 02:16:06
ENJOY THE THREAD! I JUST PURCHASED A SOLID 95% NO RUST JANUARY 1959 SEDAN TO BEGIN THE SAME PROCESS OF EVOLUTION INTO THIS LOVELY HEBMULLER. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GET DRAWINGS FOR THE TOP FRAME WITH MEASUREMENTS? I HAVE A FIBERGLASS DECKLID TO USE UNTIL I CAN DO THE CAR CORRECTLY AND BUILD ONE FROM STEEL. I ALSO HAVE A 1954 CONVERTIBLE WINDSCREEN FRAME AND EARLY RIBBED DOORS. I BOUGHT THE 1959 AS A BARE SHELL WITH NO CHASSIS, SEATS, ENGINE, FENDERS, ETC.... SO IT WAS AN EASY DECISION TO USE THIS FOR MY "HEB" TRANSFORMATION. I HAVE A 1958 NO RUST PAN TO BEGIN THE PROCESS AND WILL MAKE MY OWN VERT FRAME RAILS TO SAVE ON COST. I BOUGHT A SPLIT DASH NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS PROJECT, AND HAVE COLLECTED MANY OTHER PIECES SINCE THEN. THANKS FOR ANY HELP AND ENCOURAGEMENT.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 30 December 2012 08:48:26
Hi Chubz Vdubs.
As you can read in the post, I have made paterns for the roof top ( and all the rest of the metal parts) but even If I copy them for you, you won't be able to make it. The reason is that you need a buck for it:idea: . And I made one on the real hebmuller roofframe. So I know it is correctly made.
The buck is needed to weld the pieces together. If you do it without, I doubt the frame whould work. It took me lot's of time to make the paterns from a real rooftop. Almost every major part of it is made from several single parts that needs welded together. I am willing to help you with your project, but only if you make it correct:wink: . There are tons of heb replica's but I need to find the first one that is correct made( except those that are made with the blechmanufaktur parts)
Greetings.
Posted by: chubz-v-dubz - 05 July 2013 15:24:32
I would be willing to try to build the top frame. It is very complicated. I saw an original just this week at a friend's shop and need help. He let me make many templates of the body cowl section.
Posted by: oldbugger - 27 July 2013 20:48:30
this is where my old project at https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=rgd&show_results=summary I don't like the choice of engine or tail lights [ATTACH]8296[/Attach] [ATTACH]8297[/Attach]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 28 February 2014 21:16:21
Hi, did some work . Not much but needed to fit some parts and adjust them. Work on the normal body issues for the donor are almost finished. Small welding required . Then I finaly can start fixing all the parts I made permanent... The welding gear will do overtime. :d
You see also the buck I made for the roof assembly. Was a quick made buck but efficient to work on. Some left over scrapmetal did the work, mounted on a working table. [ATTACH]8628[/Attach] [ATTACH]8629[/Attach] [ATTACH]8630[/Attach] [ATTACH]8631[/Attach] [ATTACH]8632[/Attach] [ATTACH]8633[/Attach]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 01 March 2014 18:47:34
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Posted by: zelensis61 - 01 March 2014 18:50:09
next series. The rear seat was mounted for adjusting the set up with the metal frames before welding it all. The wood from the rear seat is made 100 procent copy from an original I had bought. :d [ATTACH]8640[/Attach] [ATTACH]8641[/Attach] [ATTACH]8642[/Attach] [ATTACH]8643[/Attach] [ATTACH]8644[/Attach]
Posted by: zelensis61 - 07 September 2015 20:27:56
as it is again a long time I Posted an update here... Here are some new shots.
Body is in primer now, need to fix some bad spots....lots of bad spots, Chassis is also in the work. All blasted and primered. The tunnel was opened to inspect it and to replace fuel line and some patching. [ATTACH]9002[/Attach] [ATTACH]9003[/Attach] [ATTACH]9004[/Attach] [ATTACH]9005[/Attach] [ATTACH]9006[/Attach] [ATTACH]9007[/Attach]
Posted by: JD - 10 September 2015 13:53:33
Nice work! Wish i had your metal work skills.
Posted by: zelensis61 - 10 September 2015 15:42:23
Jd, it is all trial and error... lots of errors :-)
Posted by: Hebster52 - 27 December 2015 17:19:14
True workmanship here Peter! Don't be too modest! :thumbup:
Posted by: zelensis61 - 15 February 2016 20:08:12
Due to hebsters progress, I feel the need to update my project also.
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Posted by: Hebster52 - 16 February 2016 19:32:45
:D
Posted by: zelensis61 - 22 April 2019 09:24:16
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After a long time not posting here.. Sorry Rob, I add new picts. The car is done and made its debute in Hessisch 2017 as fast put together for the show. All work is done by me. From body, to mechanic to the roof and fabric on it. I must admit that for the cover, i used a second hand roof cover. This gives the car a "used look" and so is the paint... done by me in the garden in a tent... I am happy with it.
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