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Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 13:37:30
How many here dread the MOT test on their ancient Beetle. I used to have a local MOT station in my part of London that let me take part in the test, sitting in the car, operating signals, lights, steering etc. One garage used to road test the cable brakes, not using the rolling road (although I worried about the crash box being driven without experience). Now stations want to test them on the rolling road. Those around me now don't allow me near the car or to even point out things to the tester. I have to sit away from the area and watch while semaphores, bonnet support and such like are exposed to risk of damage due to unawareness. I MOT'd my '58 recently, and was uncomfortable the attitude they had to the car. This means that my splits and Tatras will continue not seeing use, even [i]Rattletrap[/i] will stay away. :(

Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 13:37:30

How many here dread the MOT test on their ancient Beetle. I used to have a local MOT station in my part of London that let me take part in the test, sitting in the car, operating signals, lights, steering etc. One garage used to road test the cable brakes, not using the rolling road (although I worried about the crash box being driven without experience). Now stations want to test them on the rolling road. Those around me now don't allow me near the car or to even point out things to the tester. I have to sit away from the area and watch while semaphores, bonnet support and such like are exposed to risk of damage due to unawareness. I MOT'd my '58 recently, and was uncomfortable the attitude they had to the car. This means that my splits and Tatras will continue not seeing use, even [i]Rattletrap[/i] will stay away. :(

Posted by: six-o-one - 07 January 2011 15:54:45
John, Get friendly with any local classic car specialists and find out who they use for MOTs. I found out who Storacar were using for all the cars they looked after and paid them a visit. They were very obviously well versed in MOTing 'odd' stuff!

Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 16:57:52
[quote=six-o-one]..... They were very obviously well versed in MOTing 'odd' stuff![/quote] Thanks, good thinking, although I hope to find something reasonably local. Still love the look of your oval :beer:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 07 January 2011 17:27:09
[quote=Rattletrap] This means that my splits and Tatras will continue not seeing use, even [i]Rattletrap[/i] will stay away. :( [/quote] You wouldn't drive them if an MOT was presented on a gold salver.

Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 18:05:33
[quote='50 Karmann]You wouldn't drive them if an MOT was presented on a gold salver. [/quote] I'll be serving you a nice big slice of humble pie from my vintage Beetle next year at [i]Lavenham[/i], George. :wink:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 07 January 2011 18:09:24
[quote=Rattletrap]I'll be serving you a nice big slice of humble pie from my vintage Beetle next year at [i]Lavenham[/i], George. :wink: [/quote] Once in Thirty years,doesn't count,if it happens.

Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 18:21:37
[quote='50 Karmann]Once in Thirty years,doesn't count,if it happens.[/quote] My George, you are a big eater, that'll be the whole pie now :lol:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 07 January 2011 20:12:05
How's that:?:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 20:23:15
[quote='50 Karmann]How's that:?: [/quote] [quote=Rattletrap].....I MOT'd my '58 recently...... [/quote] I'll have to take some custard to [i]Lavenham[/i] as well now....:roll:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 07 January 2011 20:30:46
:shock: WOW !!big step,and that makes you a big driver all of the sudden. How did you find the keys after all this time??? Bet you were shocked when petrol wasn't 97p a gallon anymore.

Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 20:36:42
[quote='50 Karmann]:shock: WOW !!big step,and that makes you a big driver all of the sudden. How did you find the keys after all this time??? Bet you were shocked when petrol wasn't 97p a gallon anymore.[/quote] Hey, one step at a time please George, I haven't ventured outside London yet, and I've still got my petrol ration books to use up. I'll be using the 2 star, its a little cheaper than the 3 and the '58 loves it :lol:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 07 January 2011 20:36:42

[quote='50 Karmann]:shock: WOW !!big step,and that makes you a big driver all of the sudden. How did you find the keys after all this time??? Bet you were shocked when petrol wasn't 97p a gallon anymore.[/quote] Hey, one step at a time please George, I haven't ventured outside London yet, and I've still got my petrol ration books to use up. I'll be using the 2 star, its a little cheaper than the 3 and the '58 loves it :lol:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 07 January 2011 21:18:32
911's used to run on 2*,i was amazed when i found that out.

Posted by: Ovaltine - 08 January 2011 12:26:49
[quote=Rattletrap]I'll be serving you a nice big slice of humble pie from my vintage Beetle next year at [i]Lavenham[/i], George. :wink:[/quote] A promise was made to take Rattletrap to Lavenham, 1958 cars are too late:roll: To rerail this topic, there is talk of MOTs being changed to bi-annually here, another European interfereance. In Germany cars that are very old are exempt I believe:?

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 08 January 2011 12:46:59
I'd hate to think what sheds people would drive in the UK if an MOT was not needed for 'classic' cars. Why would they need to get into the under bonnet area? Just leave the spare on the back seat if (I'm not sure it's even tested) you think they might bend your bonnet/prop etc. As far as the rest goes, I see no reason why you couldn't be present at the MOT. At my MOT place I could stand a few metres form the car if I really wanted.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 08 January 2011 12:46:59

I'd hate to think what sheds people would drive in the UK if an MOT was not needed for 'classic' cars. Why would they need to get into the under bonnet area? Just leave the spare on the back seat if (I'm not sure it's even tested) you think they might bend your bonnet/prop etc. As far as the rest goes, I see no reason why you couldn't be present at the MOT. At my MOT place I could stand a few metres form the car if I really wanted.

Posted by: harveypj - 08 January 2011 13:08:03
[quote=Ovaltine] 1958 cars are too late:roll: [/quote] You might want to educate yourself :idea: Lavenham is a pre67 show, not pre57 like some others.

Posted by: WayneMcCarthy - 08 January 2011 13:50:25
In Ireland there is No MOT Required on Pre 1980 Car's , Yes there are alot of Heap's on The Road ! Talk's are taking place about Yearly Test's on Classic's Which I would be in favour of Testing All Classic's.

Posted by: Rattletrap - 08 January 2011 14:50:43
[quote=Ovaltine]A promise was made to take Rattletrap to Lavenham, 1958 cars are too late:roll:[/quote] As [i]Lavenham[/i] is not until 2012, over a year away, I'll be presenting a car for another MOT. It may well be [i]Rattletrap[/i], but I'm not taking him to an MOT station that won't care and appreciate what a special vintage car [i]Rattletrap[/i] is.He's family, you wouldn't leave your beloved cat or dog at some back street vet:wink: [quote=54 Gertie]I'd hate to think what sheds people would drive in the UK if an MOT was not needed for 'classic' cars. Why would they need to get into the under bonnet area? Just leave the spare on the back seat if (I'm not sure it's even tested) you think they might bend your bonnet/prop etc. As far as the rest goes, I see no reason why you couldn't be present at the MOT. At my MOT place I could stand a few metres form the car if I really wanted.[/quote] They always look under the bonnet, ID plates and structure, the latter more an issue with the 1303 McPhurson strut cars, but they see Beetles as all the same. They also have to check that bonnets shut securely. 'Health and Safety' has made stations aware that it is their responsibilty to keep members of the pulic in a 'safe' area - that's what I was strictly told:roll: [quote=WayneMcCarthy]In Ireland there is No MOT Required on Pre 1980 Car's , Yes there are alot of Heap's on The Road ![/quote] True, and they don't have to pay water rates in Northern Ireland.........:roll:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 08 January 2011 14:50:43

[quote=Ovaltine]A promise was made to take Rattletrap to Lavenham, 1958 cars are too late:roll:[/quote] As [i]Lavenham[/i] is not until 2012, over a year away, I'll be presenting a car for another MOT. It may well be [i]Rattletrap[/i], but I'm not taking him to an MOT station that won't care and appreciate what a special vintage car [i]Rattletrap[/i] is.He's family, you wouldn't leave your beloved cat or dog at some back street vet:wink: [quote=54 Gertie]I'd hate to think what sheds people would drive in the UK if an MOT was not needed for 'classic' cars. Why would they need to get into the under bonnet area? Just leave the spare on the back seat if (I'm not sure it's even tested) you think they might bend your bonnet/prop etc. As far as the rest goes, I see no reason why you couldn't be present at the MOT. At my MOT place I could stand a few metres form the car if I really wanted.[/quote] They always look under the bonnet, ID plates and structure, the latter more an issue with the 1303 McPhurson strut cars, but they see Beetles as all the same. They also have to check that bonnets shut securely. 'Health and Safety' has made stations aware that it is their responsibilty to keep members of the pulic in a 'safe' area - that's what I was strictly told:roll: [quote=WayneMcCarthy]In Ireland there is No MOT Required on Pre 1980 Car's , Yes there are alot of Heap's on The Road ![/quote] True, and they don't have to pay water rates in Northern Ireland.........:roll:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 08 January 2011 14:57:28
[quote=54 Gertie]Just leave the spare on the back seat if.....[/quote] Good grief, a spare wheel on [i]Rattletrap's[/i] back seat, or an all OG low miles '49's seat, or even a Tatra T87's rear seat... they can keep their MOT :!: Maybe take the seat out first though. :wink:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 09 January 2011 12:31:35
I copied this from [i]Last Triumph's [/i]thread [i]'Mr Sherbie'[/i]:lol: it was your great reply to me raising the MOT issue prior to this thread's start. [quote=mrsherbie]Good grief neither would I :shock: :lol: We are always 'present' during an mot. And my mot tester's have to go through thorough rigorous verbal and non verbal reasoning testing before they are allowed to touch anything :lol: But you are even worse than me for lack of use :lol: I keep my split mot'd just so I can go to war & peace if I fancy it, no london, no motorways or main roads involved, all country lanes round here. Blimey mine would also be housebound If I lived in London so I dont blame you!:lol: [/quote] [quote=54 Gertie]Just leave the spare on the back seat if (I'm not sure it's even tested)[/quote] Leave it at home and hope you don't get a flat - Apparently its not part of the test.:d [quote=54 Gertie]Non-stick? [/quote] [i]Teflon[/i], the perfect finish for under a Beeltle's wheel arches:?: :lol:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 09 January 2011 12:31:35

I copied this from [i]Last Triumph's [/i]thread [i]'Mr Sherbie'[/i]:lol: it was your great reply to me raising the MOT issue prior to this thread's start. [quote=mrsherbie]Good grief neither would I :shock: :lol: We are always 'present' during an mot. And my mot tester's have to go through thorough rigorous verbal and non verbal reasoning testing before they are allowed to touch anything :lol: But you are even worse than me for lack of use :lol: I keep my split mot'd just so I can go to war & peace if I fancy it, no london, no motorways or main roads involved, all country lanes round here. Blimey mine would also be housebound If I lived in London so I dont blame you!:lol: [/quote] [quote=54 Gertie]Just leave the spare on the back seat if (I'm not sure it's even tested)[/quote] Leave it at home and hope you don't get a flat - Apparently its not part of the test.:d [quote=54 Gertie]Non-stick? [/quote] [i]Teflon[/i], the perfect finish for under a Beeltle's wheel arches:?: :lol:

Posted by: 64rotbox - 09 January 2011 13:55:49
[quote=54 Gertie]I'd hate to think what sheds people would drive in the UK if an MOT was not needed for 'classic' cars. [/quote] Have a look at a 'rat look' display at a VW show. Then imagine every car on the road in the same state. [quote]Why would they need to get into the under bonnet area?[/quote] To check the fuel filler cap.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 09 January 2011 14:16:57
[quote=64rotbox]Have a look at a 'rat look' display at a VW show. Then imagine every car on the road in the same state. [/quote] To be fair, some 'shat-look' cars are better mechanically than some show winners, but it's usually not the case.

Posted by: 64rotbox - 09 January 2011 21:22:35
[quote=54 Gertie]To be fair, some 'shat-look' cars are better mechanically than some show winners, but it's usually not the case. [/quote] Heather Mills (remember her?) would have enough digits to count them on. In fact she could probably lose the other leg and it wouldn't affect the situation.

Posted by: Si Med - 09 January 2011 22:53:20
My shat look car has flown through the last 2 mots, has covered 12k miles in the last 10 months and broken down 0 times. with original 30hp, 6v and split case box. Its original 30 mm brakes are brilliant :D Dont judge a book by its cover

Posted by: mrsherbie - 10 January 2011 00:52:17
[quote=Rattletrap] 'Health and Safety' has made stations aware that it is their responsibilty to keep members of the pulic in a 'safe' area - that's what I was strictly told:roll: [/quote] Yes true. You get to watch from behind the glass some muppet breaking expensive bits on your car [url=https://planetsmilies.net][img]https://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-255.gif[/img][/url] In the past I have also kept my old beetle off the road for a few years just because I was unhappy after a bad mot experience (heavy handed incorrect use of dash switches, & wipers left running on dry windscreen while he walked away etc grrrr! [url=https://planetsmilies.net][img]https://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-8030.gif[/img][/url]) so I know exactly what you mean. I know a couple of people who test old cars with kid gloves now, but central London is way out of my area, but for peace of mind maybe worth paying someone who you trust who is in the motor trade who will also certainly have a good mot garage like Luke T at Terrys Beetles? to take it along to get it mot'd (with you in car or driving there)? Whilst MOT tester's will certainly not let the public in the workshop while testing, they will usually let someone else 'in the trade' that they know, test the car with them. Thats what I would do I think (even though it would cost some labour time.) Luckily now I dont have to go as O takes mine, as I [i]hate[/i] watching it on the 'rollers' too :x In fact that one really bad mot experience has probably emotionally scarred me for life :shock: :lol:

Posted by: mrsherbie - 10 January 2011 00:52:17

[quote=Rattletrap] 'Health and Safety' has made stations aware that it is their responsibilty to keep members of the pulic in a 'safe' area - that's what I was strictly told:roll: [/quote] Yes true. You get to watch from behind the glass some muppet breaking expensive bits on your car [url=https://planetsmilies.net][img]https://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-255.gif[/img][/url] In the past I have also kept my old beetle off the road for a few years just because I was unhappy after a bad mot experience (heavy handed incorrect use of dash switches, & wipers left running on dry windscreen while he walked away etc grrrr! [url=https://planetsmilies.net][img]https://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-8030.gif[/img][/url]) so I know exactly what you mean. I know a couple of people who test old cars with kid gloves now, but central London is way out of my area, but for peace of mind maybe worth paying someone who you trust who is in the motor trade who will also certainly have a good mot garage like Luke T at Terrys Beetles? to take it along to get it mot'd (with you in car or driving there)? Whilst MOT tester's will certainly not let the public in the workshop while testing, they will usually let someone else 'in the trade' that they know, test the car with them. Thats what I would do I think (even though it would cost some labour time.) Luckily now I dont have to go as O takes mine, as I [i]hate[/i] watching it on the 'rollers' too :x In fact that one really bad mot experience has probably emotionally scarred me for life :shock: :lol:

Posted by: mrsherbie - 10 January 2011 01:12:04
[quote=54 Gertie]To be fair, some 'shat-look' cars are better mechanically than some show winners, but it's usually not the case. [/quote] [quote=64rotbox]Heather Mills (remember her?) would have enough digits to count them on. In fact she could probably lose the other leg and it wouldn't affect the situation.[/quote] Thats SO harsh but very funny :lol:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 10 January 2011 10:09:19
[quote=mrsherbie]Yes true. You get to watch from behind the glass some muppet breaking expensive bits on your car [url=https://planetsmilies.net][img]https://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-255.gif[/img][/url] In the past I have also kept my old beetle off the road for a few years just because I was unhappy after a bad mot experience (heavy handed incorrect use of dash switches, & wipers left running on dry windscreen while he walked away etc grrrr! [/quote] My exact feelings and why I started this thread. I had enough getting my '58 through recently, the tester didn't even know about semaphores – he expected them to flash like modern indicators when they stuck out.:evil: Looks like [i]Rattletrap[/i] and Co will be staying locked-away.:( [quote=64rotbox]Heather Mills (remember her?) ........[/quote] I'd prefer not to :x

Posted by: Rattletrap - 10 January 2011 10:09:19

[quote=mrsherbie]Yes true. You get to watch from behind the glass some muppet breaking expensive bits on your car [url=https://planetsmilies.net][img]https://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-255.gif[/img][/url] In the past I have also kept my old beetle off the road for a few years just because I was unhappy after a bad mot experience (heavy handed incorrect use of dash switches, & wipers left running on dry windscreen while he walked away etc grrrr! [/quote] My exact feelings and why I started this thread. I had enough getting my '58 through recently, the tester didn't even know about semaphores – he expected them to flash like modern indicators when they stuck out.:evil: Looks like [i]Rattletrap[/i] and Co will be staying locked-away.:( [quote=64rotbox]Heather Mills (remember her?) ........[/quote] I'd prefer not to :x

Posted by: cupa65 - 10 January 2011 10:34:52
I had the old headlamp glass situation ie "your car has failed as the headlamp pattern is wrong!" I explained that they were the correct lights ie RHD lenses. He retested the car but when I got the car home, noticed the headlamps were not sitting in the bowls correctly. They had slackened the screws and almost bent one side out:cry: Any way I know for next time!

Posted by: 69project - 10 January 2011 14:38:39
been reading this thread and found in my experience that its best to take "her indoors" car there first to see what the people are like... i have two old school garages near me that have interests in vintage vehicles themselves(mainly guys in there late 50s) and i always get to sit in the car when tested and they tend to understand what tolerances are correct and enjoy a good chat over a mug of tea id never take anything to kwik fit...animals!

Posted by: 69project - 10 January 2011 14:38:39

been reading this thread and found in my experience that its best to take "her indoors" car there first to see what the people are like... i have two old school garages near me that have interests in vintage vehicles themselves(mainly guys in there late 50s) and i always get to sit in the car when tested and they tend to understand what tolerances are correct and enjoy a good chat over a mug of tea id never take anything to kwik fit...animals!

Posted by: Sunroof53 - 11 January 2011 19:40:46
Mot's are only a nightmare if your car is a shitbox ,i can understand being concerened about uneducated testers forgetting the bonnet prop but most testers will let you observe or even help with the brake test etc .I had to change Mot testers a while back and all it takes is to ask them a few questions like "are you sympathetic to older cars ,ask if they will pass a car with no washers or seat belts .If he seems a bit off ,go somewhere else and save yourself the grief . If your cars fails the Mot its because its not safe so why would you want to drive it? Mike Ps ,Best call of 2011 from 50 Karmann

Posted by: Sunroof53 - 11 January 2011 19:40:46

Mot's are only a nightmare if your car is a shitbox ,i can understand being concerened about uneducated testers forgetting the bonnet prop but most testers will let you observe or even help with the brake test etc .I had to change Mot testers a while back and all it takes is to ask them a few questions like "are you sympathetic to older cars ,ask if they will pass a car with no washers or seat belts .If he seems a bit off ,go somewhere else and save yourself the grief . If your cars fails the Mot its because its not safe so why would you want to drive it? Mike Ps ,Best call of 2011 from 50 Karmann

Posted by: Rattletrap - 11 January 2011 19:43:37
I now certainly disconnect the bonnet prop, and leave a suitable length of wood, so they cannot miss the problem.

Posted by: 54 Gertie - 11 January 2011 20:02:55
[quote=Rattletrap]I now certainly disconnect the bonnet prop, and leave a suitable length of wood, so they cannot miss the problem. [/quote] Good plan, I guess. Get the things MOT'd then. 8)

Posted by: harveypj - 11 January 2011 21:29:37
As others have said, there are tsters out their that do take care and let you guide them in the operation of you vintage VW controls and latches.. I am lucky in that I have one not more than 2 miles from my home. Its normaly me sitting in the car during the test or joining in having a closer look while its up in the air on the ramps. I can only suggest asking around until you find a garage that are happy to accomadate.

Posted by: harveypj - 11 January 2011 21:29:37

As others have said, there are tsters out their that do take care and let you guide them in the operation of you vintage VW controls and latches.. I am lucky in that I have one not more than 2 miles from my home. Its normaly me sitting in the car during the test or joining in having a closer look while its up in the air on the ramps. I can only suggest asking around until you find a garage that are happy to accomadate.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 11 January 2011 22:33:23
My local MOT guy is fantastic. The garage is less than a mile from where I live. He's proper 'old school' and has run the garage forever and a day. He knows I do all the work on my cars so quizzes me about stuff and is completely respectful of older vehicles (whilst taking the proverbial on most occasions regarding the engine being at the wrong end etc etc, all par for the course). If anybody in Sussex is struggling to find a good MOT station, I strongly recommend this one.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 11 January 2011 22:33:23

My local MOT guy is fantastic. The garage is less than a mile from where I live. He's proper 'old school' and has run the garage forever and a day. He knows I do all the work on my cars so quizzes me about stuff and is completely respectful of older vehicles (whilst taking the proverbial on most occasions regarding the engine being at the wrong end etc etc, all par for the course). If anybody in Sussex is struggling to find a good MOT station, I strongly recommend this one.

Posted by: GKL 7 - 11 January 2011 23:50:15
My local garage asked me to drive the Karmann over the pit,when he saw how clean it was, he said "Thats a pass then".Took some pictures of underneath and gave me a certificate. 5 mins max, Now that's a sympathetic garage:lol:

Posted by: 55Kab - 12 January 2011 06:08:38
[quote='50 Karmann]My local garage asked me to drive the Karmann over the pit,when he saw how clean it was, he said "Thats a pass then"[/quote] Hope I get the same thing...that is assuming I can get it over the pit :!: :lol:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 31 January 2011 10:37:55
MOT feature listing garages considerate with MOTs for classics in this week's [i]Classic Car Weekly[/i].:mellow:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 12:01:36
Interesting to read in both '[i]Classic Car Weekly'[/i] and [i]'Classic Car Buyer'[/i] last week, that somewhere within the Government consideration is being given to scrapping the MOT test for pre 1965 cars. It was at first being mused over for pre 1945.:beer: The former is great for all of us who own 'small' windowed Beetles and earlier and also other period associated VWs and non-VWs. The later is fine if you own a KdF Beetle or some other pre 1945 vehicle. Both my Tatras would benefit from that one but none of my splits. I hope that this comes to be, I know I'd be more likely to consider having one of my more valuable cars taxed and road legal if I do not have to have some guy at an MOT station banging and fiddling around with it. Even my '49 split or '37 Tatra may get an airing on a Sunday afternoon.:shock:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 12:01:36

Interesting to read in both '[i]Classic Car Weekly'[/i] and [i]'Classic Car Buyer'[/i] last week, that somewhere within the Government consideration is being given to scrapping the MOT test for pre 1965 cars. It was at first being mused over for pre 1945.:beer: The former is great for all of us who own 'small' windowed Beetles and earlier and also other period associated VWs and non-VWs. The later is fine if you own a KdF Beetle or some other pre 1945 vehicle. Both my Tatras would benefit from that one but none of my splits. I hope that this comes to be, I know I'd be more likely to consider having one of my more valuable cars taxed and road legal if I do not have to have some guy at an MOT station banging and fiddling around with it. Even my '49 split or '37 Tatra may get an airing on a Sunday afternoon.:shock:

Posted by: pre67vw - 21 March 2011 12:08:50
[quote=Rattletrap]Interesting to read in both '[i]Classic Car Weekly'[/i] and [i]'Classic Car Buyer'[/i] last week, that somewhere within the Government consideration is being given to scrapping the MOT test for pre 1965 cars. It was at first being mused over for pre 1945.:beer: The former is great for all of us who own 'small' windowed Beetles and earlier and also other period associated VWs and non-VWs. The later is fine if you own a KdF Beetle or some other pre 1945 vehicle. Both my Tatras would benefit from that one but none of my splits. I hope that this comes to be, I know I'd be more likely to consider having one of my more valuable cars taxed and road legal if I do not have to have some guy at an MOT station banging and fiddling around with it. Even my '49 split or '37 Tatra may get an airing on a Sunday afternoon.:shock: [/quote] Yeah, I saw that. Not sure it's a good idea to be honest, I like the idea of all cars having to be up to a certain standard in order to be on the road. I do think however, that there should be a separate MOT for older cars, one that is more applicable to classics and maybe only available at certain stations so that the testers can be properly trained. It should be much cheaper to, because there's less to test... Basically they just need to test that it's structurally safe and that the brakes work.

Posted by: pre67vw - 21 March 2011 12:08:50

[quote=Rattletrap]Interesting to read in both '[i]Classic Car Weekly'[/i] and [i]'Classic Car Buyer'[/i] last week, that somewhere within the Government consideration is being given to scrapping the MOT test for pre 1965 cars. It was at first being mused over for pre 1945.:beer: The former is great for all of us who own 'small' windowed Beetles and earlier and also other period associated VWs and non-VWs. The later is fine if you own a KdF Beetle or some other pre 1945 vehicle. Both my Tatras would benefit from that one but none of my splits. I hope that this comes to be, I know I'd be more likely to consider having one of my more valuable cars taxed and road legal if I do not have to have some guy at an MOT station banging and fiddling around with it. Even my '49 split or '37 Tatra may get an airing on a Sunday afternoon.:shock: [/quote] Yeah, I saw that. Not sure it's a good idea to be honest, I like the idea of all cars having to be up to a certain standard in order to be on the road. I do think however, that there should be a separate MOT for older cars, one that is more applicable to classics and maybe only available at certain stations so that the testers can be properly trained. It should be much cheaper to, because there's less to test... Basically they just need to test that it's structurally safe and that the brakes work.

Posted by: beefykeefy - 21 March 2011 13:57:01
I take mine to Falcon Autotech in Watford. They are respectful of old cars, and have allowed me to stand under and around the car in the MOT bay whilst they test it.

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 14:15:36
[quote=pre67vw]Yeah, I saw that. Not sure it's a good idea to be honest, I like the idea of all cars having to be up to a certain standard in order to be on the road.[/quote] It does seem a possibility that the pre 1945 exemption may happen. There are rather a lot of pre '65s around, some even in general use (especially Beetles), and it is felt that some owners will abuse the exemption by running unroadworthy cars. Pre 1945 vehicles are far in the minority and are more likely treasured collector pieces it is thought. I think that pre 1950 is a more sensible target myself. [quote=pre67vw]I do think however, that there should be a separate MOT for older cars, one that is more applicable to classics and maybe only available at certain stations so that the testers can be properly trained. It should be much cheaper to, because there's less to test... [/quote] A good idea I'd say for ALL tax exempt (pre'73) cars.:beer:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 14:15:36

[quote=pre67vw]Yeah, I saw that. Not sure it's a good idea to be honest, I like the idea of all cars having to be up to a certain standard in order to be on the road.[/quote] It does seem a possibility that the pre 1945 exemption may happen. There are rather a lot of pre '65s around, some even in general use (especially Beetles), and it is felt that some owners will abuse the exemption by running unroadworthy cars. Pre 1945 vehicles are far in the minority and are more likely treasured collector pieces it is thought. I think that pre 1950 is a more sensible target myself. [quote=pre67vw]I do think however, that there should be a separate MOT for older cars, one that is more applicable to classics and maybe only available at certain stations so that the testers can be properly trained. It should be much cheaper to, because there's less to test... [/quote] A good idea I'd say for ALL tax exempt (pre'73) cars.:beer:

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 21 March 2011 15:02:52
[quote=beefykeefy]I take mine to Falcon Autotech in Watford. They are respectful of old cars, and have allowed me to stand under and around the car in the MOT bay whilst they test it. [/quote] I take my two beetles to Jupps Motors in Worthing, it's a proper old fashioned garage where the mechanics all wear white overalls, glasses and beards. They understand old cars, and like yours, they let me have a good old poke around underneath when the car is up on the ramp. There must be garages like that in every town, just a case of finding them. Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 21 March 2011 15:02:52

[quote=beefykeefy]I take mine to Falcon Autotech in Watford. They are respectful of old cars, and have allowed me to stand under and around the car in the MOT bay whilst they test it. [/quote] I take my two beetles to Jupps Motors in Worthing, it's a proper old fashioned garage where the mechanics all wear white overalls, glasses and beards. They understand old cars, and like yours, they let me have a good old poke around underneath when the car is up on the ramp. There must be garages like that in every town, just a case of finding them. Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 15:15:21
[quote=Mike Peckham]The mechanics all wear white overalls, glasses and beards. [/quote] A bit like the guys that came around to my house earlier………:shock: [quote=pre67vw]At least you noticed, the first step to rehabilitation is admitting you have a problem... :roll: [/quote] [quote=Mike Peckham]There must be garages like that in every town, just a case of finding them. [/quote] London's a BIG town…:? [b]Why on earth is [i]Rattletrap[/i] finding his way into so many members' signatures around here.[/b] :?

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 15:15:21

[quote=Mike Peckham]The mechanics all wear white overalls, glasses and beards. [/quote] A bit like the guys that came around to my house earlier………:shock: [quote=pre67vw]At least you noticed, the first step to rehabilitation is admitting you have a problem... :roll: [/quote] [quote=Mike Peckham]There must be garages like that in every town, just a case of finding them. [/quote] London's a BIG town…:? [b]Why on earth is [i]Rattletrap[/i] finding his way into so many members' signatures around here.[/b] :?

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 21 March 2011 15:56:22
[quote=Rattletrap][b]Why on earth is [i]Rattletrap[/i] finding his way into so many members' signatures around here.[/b] :? [/quote] There’s no mention of Rattletrap the car in my signature John, just your avatar name of Rattletrap. I like that quote from you because it’s full of wisdom. You’re quite right, no one should make any claims about their car’s origins that can’t be backed by hard evidence from Volkswagen themselves. Wise words indeed. :wink: Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 21 March 2011 15:56:22

[quote=Rattletrap][b]Why on earth is [i]Rattletrap[/i] finding his way into so many members' signatures around here.[/b] :? [/quote] There’s no mention of Rattletrap the car in my signature John, just your avatar name of Rattletrap. I like that quote from you because it’s full of wisdom. You’re quite right, no one should make any claims about their car’s origins that can’t be backed by hard evidence from Volkswagen themselves. Wise words indeed. :wink: Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 16:34:36
[quote=Mike Peckham]…You’re quite right, no one should make any claims about their car’s origins that can’t be backed by hard evidence from Volkswagen themselves. Wise words indeed. :wink: Mike :thumbup: [/quote] Thanks Mike. Its nice to think that once in a while I get something right. :smile: Good advice is what the forums should be about. The quote you use is from my comments on the [i]Standard[/i] model thread in which the owner had a mid 60s base model that he thought was a [i]Standard[/i] but wisely after listening to [i]Rattletrap[/i] conceded it wasn't.:beer: I wrongly thought that you was having a pop at old [i]Rattletrap[/i], as some here like to do.:mellow:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 16:34:36

[quote=Mike Peckham]…You’re quite right, no one should make any claims about their car’s origins that can’t be backed by hard evidence from Volkswagen themselves. Wise words indeed. :wink: Mike :thumbup: [/quote] Thanks Mike. Its nice to think that once in a while I get something right. :smile: Good advice is what the forums should be about. The quote you use is from my comments on the [i]Standard[/i] model thread in which the owner had a mid 60s base model that he thought was a [i]Standard[/i] but wisely after listening to [i]Rattletrap[/i] conceded it wasn't.:beer: I wrongly thought that you was having a pop at old [i]Rattletrap[/i], as some here like to do.:mellow:

Posted by: pre67vw - 21 March 2011 16:48:44
I think irony is lost on RT...

Posted by: GKL 7 - 21 March 2011 16:49:06
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: 64rotbox - 21 March 2011 17:56:02
[img]https://silent1.net/gallery/d/5609-1/whoosh2.gif[/img] etc.

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 18:01:48
[quote='50 Karmann]There are none so blind as those who will not see.[/quote] [quote=64rotbox][img]https://silent1.net/gallery/d/5609-1/whoosh2.gif[/img] etc.[/quote] [img]https://silent1.net/gallery/d/5609-1/whoosh2.gif[/img] The owner of the base model used an independently produced dealers list to show his car was a [i]Standard[/i] when it wasn't. Only that from VW themselves is hard evidence. :wink:

Posted by: Rattletrap - 21 March 2011 18:01:48

[quote='50 Karmann]There are none so blind as those who will not see.[/quote] [quote=64rotbox][img]https://silent1.net/gallery/d/5609-1/whoosh2.gif[/img] etc.[/quote] [img]https://silent1.net/gallery/d/5609-1/whoosh2.gif[/img] The owner of the base model used an independently produced dealers list to show his car was a [i]Standard[/i] when it wasn't. Only that from VW themselves is hard evidence. :wink:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 21 March 2011 18:04:07
[quote=Rattletrap] Only that from VW themselves is hard evidence. :wink: [/quote] So like i said on numerous occassions.....send 'em the numbers,let's see the answers.

Posted by: 64rotbox - 21 March 2011 18:23:45
'tamtampamela' was easier to tolerate...

Posted by: 65std - 22 March 2011 07:57:16

[quote=Rattletrap]How many here dread the MOT test on their ancient Beetle. I used to have a local MOT station in my part of London that let me take part in the test, sitting in the car, operating signals, lights, steering etc. One garage used to road test the cable brakes, not using the rolling road (although I worried about the crash box being driven without experience). Now stations want to test them on the rolling road. Those around me now don't allow me near the car or to even point out things to the tester. I have to sit away from the area and watch while semaphores, bonnet support and such like are exposed to risk of damage due to unawareness. I MOT'd my '58 recently, and was uncomfortable the attitude they had to the car. This means that my splits and Tatras will continue not seeing use, even [i]Rattletrap[/i] will stay away. :( [/quote] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please tell me about this test. Are all the counties involved in testing? If I lived in someplace out of the way like Reeth or Askrigg would I have to drive very far to get a test? Or would I have to test? I've got five antique and two daily drivers, this kind of stuff would cost me a lot of money and time I would expect. Seems if a Antique vehicle has lasted as long as it has, then that means it's well looked after. Are you saying the government dosen't trust people to maintain their vehicles properly on their own? What about the guy that works on his own cars, he has to pay someone to check his work?? Don

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 22 March 2011 08:37:30

[quote=65std]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please tell me about this test. Are all the counties involved in testing? If I lived in someplace out of the way like Reeth or Askrigg would I have to drive very far to get a test? Or would I have to test? I've got five antique and two daily drivers, this kind of stuff would cost me a lot of money and time I would expect. Seems if a Antique vehicle has lasted as long as it has, then that means it's well looked after. Are you saying the government dosen't trust people to maintain their vehicles properly on their own? What about the guy that works on his own cars, he has to pay someone to check his work?? Don [/quote] Yep, that's pretty much all correct. There are MOT testing stations pretty much everywhere though so you don't need to go far to find one. All cars over three years old, in all counties, have to be tested annually. I think there might be an exception for veteran cars, but I'm not sure of the details. In the days before the MOT test there were some pretty dodgy cars on the road, statistically, these cars were often not insured amd more ikely to be involved in accidents, so the danger of having them on the road was compounded. In order to have a road fund licence disc, your car must be insured and have a current MOT certificate. This is a safeguarding mechanism, established in the 60s (I think), and has significantly improved road safety and reduced deaths caused by unsafe and often uninsured cars. I'm in favour of keeping the test, though as Rob suggests, I think a test specifically for older vehicles might be the way forward, particularly if this is carried out by specially acredited garages. I know my cars are ok - it's the other bugger you need to look out for! Mike

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