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Posted by: koochie - 02 April 2011 00:33:56
https://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/183441415.htm?ca=2_s

Posted by: vintagebug - 02 April 2011 11:02:18
Rob!!! One for you.... ..... if you sell a kidney, your liver, a lung, an eye and (pun fully intended) an arm & a leg... :omg: :omg:

Posted by: 48REME - 02 April 2011 13:22:54
[quote=vintagebug]Rob!!! One for you.... [/quote] Don't think Rob would be too keen to spend that amount on a massive reconstruction where there is very little of an original car left in there. Lovely work done on it and the result is 'pretty' enough though but then again, it can be when the owner is the boss of Carrosserie Lecocq who do beautiful pricey car restorations...

Posted by: vintagebug - 02 April 2011 19:52:00
[quote=48REME]Don't think Rob would be too keen to spend that amount[/quote] Yep, I already thought that, hence the "if you sell....and an arm & a leg" bit at the end of my post. I didn't know who the seller is though, but now I do! Does he have a website? ;-)

Posted by: SplitPersonality - 02 April 2011 22:22:17
What number Heb is this and what do we know about its background?

Posted by: zelensis61 - 03 April 2011 09:50:40
This car is long known. THe number...is long gone:x . It was restored in past and a second time in the 80's with a donor split. A report was made in Super VW in the early day's. One of the first 5 I think. The interior is like the prototype, very nice done, colorcombo outside is 2 tone. It was in Bad Camberg a few times. The car is well done but like I wrote, No nrs known from the original Heb. I included some picts. I just wondering how many hebs are for sale at this moment....ehhh the same day. I'll go fishing now, and think about that one:roll: [ATTACH]5774[/Attach] [ATTACH]5775[/Attach] [ATTACH]5776[/Attach] [ATTACH]5777[/Attach] [ATTACH]5778[/Attach] [ATTACH]5779[/Attach]

Posted by: zelensis61 - 03 April 2011 09:50:40

This car is long known. THe number...is long gone:x . It was restored in past and a second time in the 80's with a donor split. A report was made in Super VW in the early day's. One of the first 5 I think. The interior is like the prototype, very nice done, colorcombo outside is 2 tone. It was in Bad Camberg a few times. The car is well done but like I wrote, No nrs known from the original Heb. I included some picts. I just wondering how many hebs are for sale at this moment....ehhh the same day. I'll go fishing now, and think about that one:roll: [ATTACH]5774[/Attach] [ATTACH]5775[/Attach] [ATTACH]5776[/Attach] [ATTACH]5777[/Attach] [ATTACH]5778[/Attach] [ATTACH]5779[/Attach]

Posted by: SplitPersonality - 04 April 2011 14:24:58
Thanks for the info Peter - you run a great registry! Speaking of Hebmullers for sale - who is th enew owner of the "half-price" black/white lowered German car?

Posted by: heb623 - 18 April 2011 20:08:42
I knew that all too!!!!:p :twisted: ET

Posted by: YanRami - 24 August 2012 10:20:44
NB for the serious historians: there is no evidence that the photo of the car with the lady is the same as the car with the the 1303 rear lights. Just Peter Schepens getting carried away again.

Posted by: AW - 24 August 2012 10:37:12
I have seen photo N02 as well and thourght it must have had a chassis and dash swap at some time in its life :d Andy W

Posted by: zelensis61 - 24 August 2012 11:29:32
Yan, Correct about my thinking :? about the car with the lady and the french car... But how many enginecovers with extra louvers from a split or oval karmann convertible engine cover have you seen....and inserted on the very same spot ? :unsure: To my information and pictures I have seen...Only one So that is why I asume it is the same car. If you have additional info and want to share it yan, I whould love to hear it. BTW, How are you? I think I need to visit you one time to exchange some info... Best regards Peter . And some more info...This car seems to be sold. I was in touch for a friend overhere and suddenly all contact was lost. No more reply from the seller. Anyone have more info? Thanks.

Posted by: zelensis61 - 24 August 2012 11:29:32

Yan, Correct about my thinking :? about the car with the lady and the french car... But how many enginecovers with extra louvers from a split or oval karmann convertible engine cover have you seen....and inserted on the very same spot ? :unsure: To my information and pictures I have seen...Only one So that is why I asume it is the same car. If you have additional info and want to share it yan, I whould love to hear it. BTW, How are you? I think I need to visit you one time to exchange some info... Best regards Peter . And some more info...This car seems to be sold. I was in touch for a friend overhere and suddenly all contact was lost. No more reply from the seller. Anyone have more info? Thanks.

Posted by: GKL 7 - 24 August 2012 18:07:36
[quote=YanRami] Just Peter Schepens getting carried away again.[/quote] What Yan,you dug up a thread from a year ago,to point that out to us. Why bother doing that?

Posted by: pre67vw - 24 August 2012 18:26:36
Did the car ever sell? Anyone know the new owner?

Posted by: YanRami - 12 October 2012 16:52:40
Of the 750 or so cars manufactured, we count less than 150 strong survivors. How many of those still have their original chassis? So many have lost their body numbers. And lots had modern dashboards installed. And so on. So think of the other 600 cars we know little about. Some would have had modified engine covers and it is unlikely the car with the lady is the same as the French car. The French car underwent an extensive upgrade in the 70's when it received a modern chassis and 1600cc engine and with other "improvements" came vents to guarantee proper cooling. It is probable all this was done at the same time. The car with the lady clearly has an early chassis and split dash. The French car is listed as a 51 because the donor car used was of that year when it was all put back to how it once was. There is no evidence however of the car's true original year of manufacture. And yes, we know the owner well, here is a photo of my wife Alexandra at his house not so long ago. He still owns the car today and it remains one of my favourite survivors of all time. Peter, you are welcome at our home in London any time you wish. Regards, Yan [ATTACH]7732[/Attach] [ATTACH]7733[/Attach]

Posted by: YanRami - 12 October 2012 16:52:40

Of the 750 or so cars manufactured, we count less than 150 strong survivors. How many of those still have their original chassis? So many have lost their body numbers. And lots had modern dashboards installed. And so on. So think of the other 600 cars we know little about. Some would have had modified engine covers and it is unlikely the car with the lady is the same as the French car. The French car underwent an extensive upgrade in the 70's when it received a modern chassis and 1600cc engine and with other "improvements" came vents to guarantee proper cooling. It is probable all this was done at the same time. The car with the lady clearly has an early chassis and split dash. The French car is listed as a 51 because the donor car used was of that year when it was all put back to how it once was. There is no evidence however of the car's true original year of manufacture. And yes, we know the owner well, here is a photo of my wife Alexandra at his house not so long ago. He still owns the car today and it remains one of my favourite survivors of all time. Peter, you are welcome at our home in London any time you wish. Regards, Yan [ATTACH]7732[/Attach] [ATTACH]7733[/Attach]

Posted by: zelensis61 - 12 October 2012 18:23:05
Hi yan, again you are correct but I want to ask you, how many photo's of an engine cover with added air intakes like the convertible ones have you seen that are grafted in on exactly the same spot? The pict with the lady was probably taken mid 60s, the pict with the elephant rear lights and 4 bolt wheels in France is taken later then 1974 and probably somewhere in the early 80s. It is possible to swap the whole thing like chassis, engine, and dash let say in a week with a repaint....? It is indeed maybe wishfull thinking. Sad thing is that the real chassis is lost, with the aufbau plate, with the body nr. The only thing I know it is a late heb. at least above 400 nr. And to correct you about the nrs of hebs made....750 is way over the top. There was an order of 675 cars from VW to Heb and no 2000 units. All the nrs above 714 are suspicious for me as it goes over Hebmuller. For example car nr 715 is made by MAHAG in Munich and not by Hebmuller, No nr in the front and no VW tag or aufbau nr. Only MAHAG ID tag and paperwork. I say it is weird. Some cars above 700 are made by Karmann. But how many? All of you know Pascal's hebmuller. Well, I have compared old picts and found out that an article that Bob shail published way back in Volksworld shows a heb on a dolly in swiss. All the bumps and dents on that car, with the antenna, with the CH letters on the same spot are exactly the same as found on Pascal's car :omg: . And the article says that the car was scrapped and gone.... Cheers, I need to study some picts again to learn more....lol. [ATTACH]7735[/Attach]

Posted by: zelensis61 - 12 October 2012 18:23:05

Hi yan, again you are correct but I want to ask you, how many photo's of an engine cover with added air intakes like the convertible ones have you seen that are grafted in on exactly the same spot? The pict with the lady was probably taken mid 60s, the pict with the elephant rear lights and 4 bolt wheels in France is taken later then 1974 and probably somewhere in the early 80s. It is possible to swap the whole thing like chassis, engine, and dash let say in a week with a repaint....? It is indeed maybe wishfull thinking. Sad thing is that the real chassis is lost, with the aufbau plate, with the body nr. The only thing I know it is a late heb. at least above 400 nr. And to correct you about the nrs of hebs made....750 is way over the top. There was an order of 675 cars from VW to Heb and no 2000 units. All the nrs above 714 are suspicious for me as it goes over Hebmuller. For example car nr 715 is made by MAHAG in Munich and not by Hebmuller, No nr in the front and no VW tag or aufbau nr. Only MAHAG ID tag and paperwork. I say it is weird. Some cars above 700 are made by Karmann. But how many? All of you know Pascal's hebmuller. Well, I have compared old picts and found out that an article that Bob shail published way back in Volksworld shows a heb on a dolly in swiss. All the bumps and dents on that car, with the antenna, with the CH letters on the same spot are exactly the same as found on Pascal's car :omg: . And the article says that the car was scrapped and gone.... Cheers, I need to study some picts again to learn more....lol. [ATTACH]7735[/Attach]

Posted by: usariemen - 13 October 2012 21:03:06
The french one is still for sale. Or again. On a big swapmeet today in Germany I saw a cardboard with pics of it and the price idea of 100 000 Euros. [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980326.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980325.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980324.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980323.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980322.jpg[/img]

Posted by: usariemen - 13 October 2012 21:03:06

The french one is still for sale. Or again. On a big swapmeet today in Germany I saw a cardboard with pics of it and the price idea of 100 000 Euros. [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980326.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980325.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980324.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980323.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/980322.jpg[/img]

Posted by: AW - 14 October 2012 06:18:48
There you go Rob a Heb with your name on it. Go and smash your Piggy bank and look for change down the back of the sofa :d Andy W

Posted by: vintagevw - 14 October 2012 19:48:43
[quote=zelensis61]Hi yan, again you are correct but I want to ask you, how many photo's of an engine cover with added air intakes like the convertible ones have you seen that are grafted in on exactly the same spot? The pict with the lady was probably taken mid 60s, the pict with the elephant rear lights and 4 bolt wheels in France is taken later then 1974 and probably somewhere in the early 80s. It is possible to swap the whole thing like chassis, engine, and dash let say in a week with a repaint....? It is indeed maybe wishfull thinking. Sad thing is that the real chassis is lost, with the aufbau plate, with the body nr. The only thing I know it is a late heb. at least above 400 nr. And to correct you about the nrs of hebs made....750 is way over the top. There was an order of 675 cars from VW to Heb and no 2000 units. All the nrs above 714 are suspicious for me as it goes over Hebmuller. For example car nr 715 is made by MAHAG in Munich and not by Hebmuller, No nr in the front and no VW tag or aufbau nr. Only MAHAG ID tag and paperwork. I say it is weird. Some cars above 700 are made by Karmann. But how many? All of you know Pascal's hebmuller. Well, I have compared old picts and found out that an article that Bob shail published way back in Volksworld shows a heb on a dolly in swiss. All the bumps and dents on that car, with the antenna, with the CH letters on the same spot are exactly the same as found on Pascal's car :omg: . And the article says that the car was scrapped and gone.... Cheers, I need to study some picts again to learn more....lol. [/quote] Show me those pics again Peter, it looks like it as my car.... :smile: :x

Posted by: vintagevw - 14 October 2012 19:48:43

[quote=zelensis61]Hi yan, again you are correct but I want to ask you, how many photo's of an engine cover with added air intakes like the convertible ones have you seen that are grafted in on exactly the same spot? The pict with the lady was probably taken mid 60s, the pict with the elephant rear lights and 4 bolt wheels in France is taken later then 1974 and probably somewhere in the early 80s. It is possible to swap the whole thing like chassis, engine, and dash let say in a week with a repaint....? It is indeed maybe wishfull thinking. Sad thing is that the real chassis is lost, with the aufbau plate, with the body nr. The only thing I know it is a late heb. at least above 400 nr. And to correct you about the nrs of hebs made....750 is way over the top. There was an order of 675 cars from VW to Heb and no 2000 units. All the nrs above 714 are suspicious for me as it goes over Hebmuller. For example car nr 715 is made by MAHAG in Munich and not by Hebmuller, No nr in the front and no VW tag or aufbau nr. Only MAHAG ID tag and paperwork. I say it is weird. Some cars above 700 are made by Karmann. But how many? All of you know Pascal's hebmuller. Well, I have compared old picts and found out that an article that Bob shail published way back in Volksworld shows a heb on a dolly in swiss. All the bumps and dents on that car, with the antenna, with the CH letters on the same spot are exactly the same as found on Pascal's car :omg: . And the article says that the car was scrapped and gone.... Cheers, I need to study some picts again to learn more....lol. [/quote] Show me those pics again Peter, it looks like it as my car.... :smile: :x

Posted by: zelensis61 - 14 October 2012 20:02:46
They are in the pipeline towards your IP Adress...:smile: Peter

Posted by: heb201 - 16 October 2012 11:01:26
[quote=vintagevw]Show me those pics again Peter, it looks like it as my car.... :smile: :x [/quote] hello, in Bob's article he mentionend 14 cars build at Karmann 13 in 1952 and 1 on 1953 in the magazine The international vintage volkswagen vol 5 no 5 is a great article about Hebmullers I also have this info from an article in the Dutch club from ca 1981. The black heb from 1949 on the samba is sold, does anybody know where to? I have the nrs from that car and it was not cheap! sorry Rob Ruud

Posted by: heb201 - 16 October 2012 11:01:26

[quote=vintagevw]Show me those pics again Peter, it looks like it as my car.... :smile: :x [/quote] hello, in Bob's article he mentionend 14 cars build at Karmann 13 in 1952 and 1 on 1953 in the magazine The international vintage volkswagen vol 5 no 5 is a great article about Hebmullers I also have this info from an article in the Dutch club from ca 1981. The black heb from 1949 on the samba is sold, does anybody know where to? I have the nrs from that car and it was not cheap! sorry Rob Ruud

Posted by: pre67vw - 16 October 2012 12:44:05
[quote=heb201] The black heb from 1949 on the samba is sold, does anybody know where to? [/quote] :arrow: [url=https://forums.pre67vw.com/yaf_postsm53456_Unknown--Heb-surfaces-in-California.aspx#post53456]Unknown Heb surfaces in California[/url]

Posted by: zelensis61 - 18 October 2012 19:55:55
The heb in Usa is sold and comes to Germany Ruud. About the Karmann Hebs. I have the Vin nrs from the cars that are made there. The dutch kar 723 is one of the survivors. Cheers.

Posted by: oval56 - 08 November 2012 08:21:16
anyone informations on this car? a real or a fake? https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/523511_550377744979198_2018617375_n.jpg

Posted by: pre67vw - 08 November 2012 09:09:49
[quote=oval56]anyone informations on this car? a real or a fake? https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/523511_550377744979198_2018617375_n.jpg [/quote] Yep, it's a fake.

Posted by: oval56 - 08 November 2012 09:34:00
[quote=pre67vw]Yep, it's a fake.[/quote] thanks rob, is there anything to find on the internet ( build topic? )

Posted by: pre67vw - 08 November 2012 09:41:32
[quote=oval56]thanks rob, is there anything to find on the internet ( build topic? )[/quote] Not that I know of, it was made quite a while ago - I have a photo of it from nearly 10 years ago at Stonor Park. The story I heard was that a wealthy guy had the panels made out of steel and then had the car built.

Posted by: heb623 - 08 November 2012 10:17:44
[quote=pre67vw]Not that I know of, it was made quite a while ago - I have a photo of it from nearly 10 years ago at Stonor Park. The story I heard was that a wealthy guy had the panels made out of steel and then had the car built.[/quote] But he forgot to put the steering wheel at the "correct" place!!!:rofl: :twisted: ET

Posted by: heb201 - 08 November 2012 15:28:04
that is good so back to his homeland mine is now again in germany quote=zelensis61]The heb in Usa is sold and comes to Germany Ruud. About the Karmann Hebs. I have the Vin nrs from the cars that are made there. The dutch kar 723 is one of the survivors. Cheers. [/quote]

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