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Posted by: Rich Oakley - 12 October 2011 20:40:38
Haven't seen this nice UK Oval in a while... https://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=738189 Looks like it's going to be getting the serverely lowered treatment.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 13 October 2011 12:04:07
[quote=Rich Oakley]Haven't seen this nice UK Oval in a while... https://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=738189 Looks like it's going to be getting the serverely lowered treatment.[/quote] Why won't children leave well alone.:cry:

Posted by: AW - 13 October 2011 12:47:13
He says its the best he's ever driven then he's gonna dump it in the weeds :thumbdn: . -- Burk -- I suppose he thinks it will look cooooooooool. Its just boaring there like a lot of sheep ( sorry an insult to sheep ) Rant over have a happy day :d :d :d :d :d :d Andy W

Posted by: 64rotbox - 13 October 2011 16:30:27
https://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=17059 We've been here before... unfortunately. That Oval's new owner shows up on page 3.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 13 October 2011 16:56:55
It used to belong to Steve Parsons from Totland Bay in the Isle of Wight. He was a member of the Hampshire club and used frequently, to make the ferry trip across The Solent to join our convoys to shows in the naughties. It's one of the latest RHD Ovals in existence...built in the last month of production so Steve used to tell.

Posted by: rudolf hucker - 13 October 2011 21:21:02
I remember this Beetle, very nice one! Something always odd about the jack points though. Have seen comments on Kidszone regarding this nice car. Awesome find, is it on its arse yet? gonna be the dogs danglies, sick, dig up the fookin weeds. I am not from this land but it looks to me like.... 'Good english is went' Hey Ho..................Oh to be young and have the wisdom of youth!!?? When I was a younger person everyone I know was customising Ford Anglias!! Where are they now? Anyhow must not grumble. Life in slow lane. Is that your Beetle in pics on Kidszone?

Posted by: rudolf hucker - 13 October 2011 21:21:02

I remember this Beetle, very nice one! Something always odd about the jack points though. Have seen comments on Kidszone regarding this nice car. Awesome find, is it on its arse yet? gonna be the dogs danglies, sick, dig up the fookin weeds. I am not from this land but it looks to me like.... 'Good english is went' Hey Ho..................Oh to be young and have the wisdom of youth!!?? When I was a younger person everyone I know was customising Ford Anglias!! Where are they now? Anyhow must not grumble. Life in slow lane. Is that your Beetle in pics on Kidszone?

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 13 October 2011 23:23:40
[quote=rudolf hucker] Life in slow lane. Is that your Beetle in pics on Kidszone?[/quote] Hi Rudolf...how is life in Albania...hope the refugee trafficing and gun-running business is still holding-up.:smile: Yes I'm afraid my old Beetle features in those pictures on "Kidzone"...nice of you to remember it.

Posted by: Old Blue - 14 October 2011 11:23:51
[quote=lifeintheslowlane]Why won't children leave well alone.:cry: [/quote] Sounds a little like my dad. Ive decided to do same with my oval with consideration to easy return to og spec. Dad has OldBlue our 68 now which has always been in the family and he wont let me touch.I think this site should loosenup a little its better that like the car of this thread that its been pulled out from long lost and used and enjoyed as intended when it was built. Too many oddballs owning numerous bugs that they cant use. Dad has Oldblue but its a car that doesnot qualify for the pre67 bit being a 68.

Posted by: Old Blue - 14 October 2011 11:23:51

[quote=lifeintheslowlane]Why won't children leave well alone.:cry: [/quote] Sounds a little like my dad. Ive decided to do same with my oval with consideration to easy return to og spec. Dad has OldBlue our 68 now which has always been in the family and he wont let me touch.I think this site should loosenup a little its better that like the car of this thread that its been pulled out from long lost and used and enjoyed as intended when it was built. Too many oddballs owning numerous bugs that they cant use. Dad has Oldblue but its a car that doesnot qualify for the pre67 bit being a 68.

Posted by: Old Blue - 14 October 2011 11:28:39
[quote=rudolf hucker] Life in slow lane. Is that your Beetle in pics on Kidszone?[/quote] I attempted to join VZ but I couldnt get past the stupid questions bit you need to answer to join it.what is the IQ with this sites owners?

Posted by: Old Blue - 14 October 2011 11:33:02
[quote=Rich Oakley]Haven't seen this nice UK Oval in a while... https://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=738189 Looks like it's going to be getting the serverely lowered treatment.[/quote] Amazed to see this guy a longterm member of VZone. What answers did he give to the base questions needed to answer to join.Its popular though:?

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 14 October 2011 13:00:18
[quote=Old Blue]Sounds a little like my dad. Ive decided to do same with my oval with consideration to easy return to og spec. Dad has OldBlue our 68 now which has always been in the family and he wont let me touch.I think this site should loosenup a little its better that like the car of this thread that its been pulled out from long lost and used and enjoyed as intended when it was built. Too many oddballs owning numerous bugs that they cant use. Dad has Oldblue but its a car that doesnot qualify for the pre67 bit being a 68. [/quote] You raise some good points Jon, it’s always a contentious issue though and I think the underlying worry for people who have been in the scene for a long time, is that modifying a car from stock almost always leads to it’s early demise. Lowering a VW has all kinds of detrimental effects on the running gear, the rear wheel bearings for example become starved of oil when the half shaft tubes are in a constant state of negative camber. In addition, the fulcrum plates are constantly under stress on a lowered VW and become distorted. Swapping the front axle for another and keeping the original for later replacement is a laudable plan, but it’s a lucky few that manage to make it back to stock height and stock running gear before the damage to the underside, the additional fatigue on the body and chassis (due to lack of springing) and the accelerated wear on the rear axle and transmission put the car beyond the interest of the type of collector who is looking for a stock classic to keep and maintain for the long term. As regards loosening up, this has been said before and again I can see why you raise it, but the fact is that there are loads of places on the net for people to go to and talk about modified cars, but very few where the talk is restricted to stock cars – and there is a hard core of people for whom this is their interest. I take your point though about people who have large collections of cars that never see the light of day, the bottom line of course is that it’s up to the owner to do with their car what they will and to drive it, show it or keep it locked away. Personally, I think it’s a shame to keep old and interesting cars locked away for years on end out of sight, it has to be better for the car to be used occasionally and it’s great for other enthusiasts to get to see them from time to time too. Like your Dad, I too have a post ’67 stock VW that I have known since new (it was my Dad’s), I also have a post ’67 stock RHD UK supplied Cabrio with less than 40,000miles on the clock and I would like there to be a section on here where we could discuss post ’67 stock cars, it’s been raised before, but there was insufficient interest I think – perhaps we should raise it again? :wink: Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 14 October 2011 13:00:18

[quote=Old Blue]Sounds a little like my dad. Ive decided to do same with my oval with consideration to easy return to og spec. Dad has OldBlue our 68 now which has always been in the family and he wont let me touch.I think this site should loosenup a little its better that like the car of this thread that its been pulled out from long lost and used and enjoyed as intended when it was built. Too many oddballs owning numerous bugs that they cant use. Dad has Oldblue but its a car that doesnot qualify for the pre67 bit being a 68. [/quote] You raise some good points Jon, it’s always a contentious issue though and I think the underlying worry for people who have been in the scene for a long time, is that modifying a car from stock almost always leads to it’s early demise. Lowering a VW has all kinds of detrimental effects on the running gear, the rear wheel bearings for example become starved of oil when the half shaft tubes are in a constant state of negative camber. In addition, the fulcrum plates are constantly under stress on a lowered VW and become distorted. Swapping the front axle for another and keeping the original for later replacement is a laudable plan, but it’s a lucky few that manage to make it back to stock height and stock running gear before the damage to the underside, the additional fatigue on the body and chassis (due to lack of springing) and the accelerated wear on the rear axle and transmission put the car beyond the interest of the type of collector who is looking for a stock classic to keep and maintain for the long term. As regards loosening up, this has been said before and again I can see why you raise it, but the fact is that there are loads of places on the net for people to go to and talk about modified cars, but very few where the talk is restricted to stock cars – and there is a hard core of people for whom this is their interest. I take your point though about people who have large collections of cars that never see the light of day, the bottom line of course is that it’s up to the owner to do with their car what they will and to drive it, show it or keep it locked away. Personally, I think it’s a shame to keep old and interesting cars locked away for years on end out of sight, it has to be better for the car to be used occasionally and it’s great for other enthusiasts to get to see them from time to time too. Like your Dad, I too have a post ’67 stock VW that I have known since new (it was my Dad’s), I also have a post ’67 stock RHD UK supplied Cabrio with less than 40,000miles on the clock and I would like there to be a section on here where we could discuss post ’67 stock cars, it’s been raised before, but there was insufficient interest I think – perhaps we should raise it again? :wink: Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: Old Blue - 14 October 2011 16:29:46
A good reply Mike. I know that Jon's intentions are genuine and he loves his oval Beetle, but I agree its rare for altered cars such as this to ever get put back to original. If I go out to look to buy a vintage Beetle, I'm not going to view a car that's been in the hands of the lowered brigade, with the exception of maybe a split or an early cabrio. Regards to Old Blue, the car has always been with our family like yours, originally my father's pride and joy. There's some excellent late 60s-70s Beetles around, these cars are now ancient and collectable. A nice original 68 on is more interesting to many than an altered earlier car. I think being pre 1967 is maybe holding back growth of this site. That VoksZone site seems to be flourishing very well.

Posted by: Old Blue - 14 October 2011 16:29:46

A good reply Mike. I know that Jon's intentions are genuine and he loves his oval Beetle, but I agree its rare for altered cars such as this to ever get put back to original. If I go out to look to buy a vintage Beetle, I'm not going to view a car that's been in the hands of the lowered brigade, with the exception of maybe a split or an early cabrio. Regards to Old Blue, the car has always been with our family like yours, originally my father's pride and joy. There's some excellent late 60s-70s Beetles around, these cars are now ancient and collectable. A nice original 68 on is more interesting to many than an altered earlier car. I think being pre 1967 is maybe holding back growth of this site. That VoksZone site seems to be flourishing very well.

Posted by: RoRoVw - 14 October 2011 19:26:41
[quote=Mike Peckham]You raise some good points Jon, it’s always a contentious issue though and I think the underlying worry for people who have been in the scene for a long time, is that modifying a car from stock almost always leads to it’s early demise. Lowering a VW has all kinds of detrimental effects on the running gear, the rear wheel bearings for example become starved of oil when the half shaft tubes are in a constant state of negative camber. In addition, the fulcrum plates are constantly under stress on a lowered VW and become distorted. Swapping the front axle for another and keeping the original for later replacement is a laudable plan, but it’s a lucky few that manage to make it back to stock height and stock running gear before the damage to the underside, the additional fatigue on the body and chassis (due to lack of springing) and the accelerated wear on the rear axle and transmission put the car beyond the interest of the type of collector who is looking for a stock classic to keep and maintain for the long term. As regards loosening up, this has been said before and again I can see why you raise it, but the fact is that there are loads of places on the net for people to go to and talk about modified cars, but very few where the talk is restricted to stock cars – and there is a hard core of people for whom this is their interest. I take your point though about people who have large collections of cars that never see the light of day, the bottom line of course is that it’s up to the owner to do with their car what they will and to drive it, show it or keep it locked away. Personally, I think it’s a shame to keep old and interesting cars locked away for years on end out of sight, it has to be better for the car to be used occasionally and it’s great for other enthusiasts to get to see them from time to time too. Like your Dad, I too have a post ’67 stock VW that I have known since new (it was my Dad’s), I also have a post ’67 stock RHD UK supplied Cabrio with less than 40,000miles on the clock and I would like there to be a section on here where we could discuss post ’67 stock cars, it’s been raised before, but there was insufficient interest I think – perhaps we should raise it again? :wink: Mike :thumbup: [/quote] Very well said, Mike. I'm in total agreement with you. :thumbup:

Posted by: RoRoVw - 14 October 2011 19:26:41

[quote=Mike Peckham]You raise some good points Jon, it’s always a contentious issue though and I think the underlying worry for people who have been in the scene for a long time, is that modifying a car from stock almost always leads to it’s early demise. Lowering a VW has all kinds of detrimental effects on the running gear, the rear wheel bearings for example become starved of oil when the half shaft tubes are in a constant state of negative camber. In addition, the fulcrum plates are constantly under stress on a lowered VW and become distorted. Swapping the front axle for another and keeping the original for later replacement is a laudable plan, but it’s a lucky few that manage to make it back to stock height and stock running gear before the damage to the underside, the additional fatigue on the body and chassis (due to lack of springing) and the accelerated wear on the rear axle and transmission put the car beyond the interest of the type of collector who is looking for a stock classic to keep and maintain for the long term. As regards loosening up, this has been said before and again I can see why you raise it, but the fact is that there are loads of places on the net for people to go to and talk about modified cars, but very few where the talk is restricted to stock cars – and there is a hard core of people for whom this is their interest. I take your point though about people who have large collections of cars that never see the light of day, the bottom line of course is that it’s up to the owner to do with their car what they will and to drive it, show it or keep it locked away. Personally, I think it’s a shame to keep old and interesting cars locked away for years on end out of sight, it has to be better for the car to be used occasionally and it’s great for other enthusiasts to get to see them from time to time too. Like your Dad, I too have a post ’67 stock VW that I have known since new (it was my Dad’s), I also have a post ’67 stock RHD UK supplied Cabrio with less than 40,000miles on the clock and I would like there to be a section on here where we could discuss post ’67 stock cars, it’s been raised before, but there was insufficient interest I think – perhaps we should raise it again? :wink: Mike :thumbup: [/quote] Very well said, Mike. I'm in total agreement with you. :thumbup:

Posted by: ascort - 15 October 2011 05:40:31
[quote=RoRoVw]Very well said, Mike. I'm in total agreement with you. :thumbup: [/quote] I am it total agreement too. Unfortunately it seems to be the start of a slippery slope when the modifications start. :cry: One of the good recent posts was "Today I un-lowered my Ghia". :thumbup: In my opinion the car looked so much more desirable after the re-work. Unfortunately the number of vehicles being brought back to original is far less than those being modded. If one is to own a tidy old vehicle, surely it is better to have it maintained in a state where it captures the feel and looks that it would have had when it was in its prime. This includes suspension, drivetrain, engine characteristics, trim etc. Period mods are not that bad though. Although it is not my preference, there is a place for modified vehicles, but I just wish people who choose to go down that path were less numerous and would use cars that have already been butchered as their choice of car to start with, and not original condition cars as seems to have happened in this case. :thumbdn:

Posted by: ascort - 15 October 2011 05:40:31

[quote=RoRoVw]Very well said, Mike. I'm in total agreement with you. :thumbup: [/quote] I am it total agreement too. Unfortunately it seems to be the start of a slippery slope when the modifications start. :cry: One of the good recent posts was "Today I un-lowered my Ghia". :thumbup: In my opinion the car looked so much more desirable after the re-work. Unfortunately the number of vehicles being brought back to original is far less than those being modded. If one is to own a tidy old vehicle, surely it is better to have it maintained in a state where it captures the feel and looks that it would have had when it was in its prime. This includes suspension, drivetrain, engine characteristics, trim etc. Period mods are not that bad though. Although it is not my preference, there is a place for modified vehicles, but I just wish people who choose to go down that path were less numerous and would use cars that have already been butchered as their choice of car to start with, and not original condition cars as seems to have happened in this case. :thumbdn:

Posted by: WayneMcCarthy - 15 October 2011 10:37:45
Great Points Made , Lowered & Stock , Post '67 ! I've Got My Foot in Both Camps So To Speak & Happen To Like All Things VW ! Some Car's That Are Lowered With Tasteful Mods can Be Quiet Nice ? & Of Course I Do Agree There Are To Many Very Proper Stock Cars Also Being Wrecked ! It Would Be Nice To Discuss Later Cars on Here From Time To Time !

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 09 November 2011 20:50:31
Now for sale... https://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=744214

Posted by: 59 Ragtop - 09 November 2011 21:17:36
Be great to see brought back to standard! Lovely interior.

Posted by: GKL 7 - 10 November 2011 11:59:58
Why did he bother touching it? More sellable as a "slammed" car? They call it a fashion trend. I remember back in the 70's i used to wear Dr.Martins and 24 inch parallel jeans,that looked as stupid as these cars do. Victim. Moan moan moan,yeah! i know "old fart".Heard it before.:wink: [ATTACH]6511[/Attach] [ATTACH]6512[/Attach]

Posted by: 64rotbox - 10 November 2011 12:34:33
These people have 'reputations' to keep up. You don't get to be a 'scene' 'face' for nothing. Yes, I'd hope that someone does buy it and puts it back to how it was, but would you pay £7.5k for a car that's been scraping manhole covers, even if only for a couple of weeks? They're never the same after being modded to that extent, no matter what anyone says.

Posted by: AW - 10 November 2011 12:35:02
Yerrrrrrrrrrrr far better slamed in the weeds:thumbup: Could do with a roof chop as well to look Koooooooool :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: Andy W

Posted by: AW - 10 November 2011 12:39:45
Intresting to see that the modded cars seem to be struggling to sell but the standards are:thumbup: Old Gits Rule :p :p :p :p :p Andy W

Posted by: chrisbug91 - 10 November 2011 19:09:02
Its such a shame whats been done to such an original car, thank god its nothing that can't be returned. Wish I could afford to save it :(

Posted by: Robb - 10 November 2011 19:27:33
someone buy it quick! bet its got plenty of dents and scrapes on the underside now :shock:

Posted by: 64rotbox - 10 November 2011 20:03:53
Well, perhaps he hasn't tw*tted this one into a kerb, at least...

Posted by: 1958 Harry - 11 November 2011 07:36:50
My '58 is stock with a few trick but period looking mods (most notably I have added indicators as I was fed up with near misses all the time with just Semaphores) but these have been disguised as period fog/reverse lights ;) I have no intention of ever lowering it as it's a very original car body wise and he would lose his character if I lowered him. And personally I much prefer early bugs stock, however I do think 70's bugs look better modified as compared to 50's/early 60's bugs they are more bland looking, that's the same issue with buses, splitties look their best bone stock, but bays need some changes as IMHO they lack the character of the early stuff. I always thinks it's a real shame tho when someone has a mint stocker that they modify, IMHO it would be better to get a rotter and restore it to how you want than ruining a very original car. I have noticed recently that there is more interest in good stock cars than there used to be, and I'm thinking the 'fashion' is starting to sway back to stock, for now :)

Posted by: 1958 Harry - 11 November 2011 07:36:50

My '58 is stock with a few trick but period looking mods (most notably I have added indicators as I was fed up with near misses all the time with just Semaphores) but these have been disguised as period fog/reverse lights ;) I have no intention of ever lowering it as it's a very original car body wise and he would lose his character if I lowered him. And personally I much prefer early bugs stock, however I do think 70's bugs look better modified as compared to 50's/early 60's bugs they are more bland looking, that's the same issue with buses, splitties look their best bone stock, but bays need some changes as IMHO they lack the character of the early stuff. I always thinks it's a real shame tho when someone has a mint stocker that they modify, IMHO it would be better to get a rotter and restore it to how you want than ruining a very original car. I have noticed recently that there is more interest in good stock cars than there used to be, and I'm thinking the 'fashion' is starting to sway back to stock, for now :)

Posted by: 59 Ragtop - 11 November 2011 21:58:59
Some good points there. Its definately a "fashion" thing. As we all know standard cars drive so much better. Contorary to some opinion the veedub factory engineers did know what they were doing! You cant second guess an engineer....

Posted by: pre67vw - 11 November 2011 22:58:52
I think that this may be one instance where higher prices are on our side, as the prices go up and these things get more valuable there is maybe less incentive to ruin them. Whether or not you think lowering is cool, there's no doubt that bottoming out does damage to the pan, and if you've just spent loads on your car then it's a pretty stupid thing to do.

Posted by: AW - 12 November 2011 13:29:13
Not only damage to the pan but you starve the rear wheelbearings of oil and the strain on the inner fulcrum points with the constant angel thay are running not to mention the bumpsteer etc etc If you look at the hot rodders that do know how to modify there cars to lower the body thay channle the chassis or floor pan in our case:wink: Andy w

Posted by: Old Blue - 12 November 2011 14:06:47
I think its totally ridiculous, and such a nice right hand drive car too. Jon's finished the '56 and now finds it a little awkward entering our driveway up the drop kerb without a scraping noise. He has to reverse in at an angle to avoid dragging the car.

Posted by: pre67vw - 12 November 2011 14:16:53
[quote=AW]Not only damage to the pan but you starve the rear wheelbearings of oil and the strain on the inner fulcrum points with the constant angel thay are running not to mention the bumpsteer etc etc If you look at the hot rodders that do know how to modify there cars to lower the body thay channle the chassis or floor pan in our case:wink: Andy w [/quote] Yep, ive heard the problem with the bearings. But scraping the pan leaves bare metal exposed, then salt on the road over winter and pretty soon the car is a mess and in need of welding. But still, it looks cool so it doesn't matter :roll:

Posted by: pre67vw - 12 November 2011 14:16:53

[quote=AW]Not only damage to the pan but you starve the rear wheelbearings of oil and the strain on the inner fulcrum points with the constant angel thay are running not to mention the bumpsteer etc etc If you look at the hot rodders that do know how to modify there cars to lower the body thay channle the chassis or floor pan in our case:wink: Andy w [/quote] Yep, ive heard the problem with the bearings. But scraping the pan leaves bare metal exposed, then salt on the road over winter and pretty soon the car is a mess and in need of welding. But still, it looks cool so it doesn't matter :roll:

Posted by: beefykeefy - 12 November 2011 23:32:25
I quite like tasteful mods on well chosen cars, but taking a survivor stock car and doing [u]that[/u] to it just makes no sense at all. Even more bewlidering, is to spend all that money making it look that bad, then selling it on... Thankfully the previous owner of my 67, chose to sell her Beetle to me only on the basis that I wanted to keep it stock, rather than the other interested buyer who told her he was going to lower it, de-chrome it and do all the other predictable stuff...

Posted by: beefykeefy - 12 November 2011 23:32:25

I quite like tasteful mods on well chosen cars, but taking a survivor stock car and doing [u]that[/u] to it just makes no sense at all. Even more bewlidering, is to spend all that money making it look that bad, then selling it on... Thankfully the previous owner of my 67, chose to sell her Beetle to me only on the basis that I wanted to keep it stock, rather than the other interested buyer who told her he was going to lower it, de-chrome it and do all the other predictable stuff...

Posted by: pipvan - 28 November 2011 10:40:21
I now own this car and i love it, not had chance to play with it yet but im going to make a few changes

Posted by: Robb - 28 November 2011 14:15:01
whats your plans? 8)

Posted by: pipvan - 28 November 2011 15:35:05
Have not decided yet but at moment its way to low for me so it has to come up, im going to clean all the underseal off and see whats going on everywhere. I dont plan on altering the car at all apart from cleaning stuff up and eventually maybe a full resto but it really does not need it. Im also thinking standard wheels with whitewalls as i just like the look

Posted by: pre67vw - 28 November 2011 15:47:03
[quote=pipvan]its way to low for me so it has to come up[/quote] :thumbup: [quote=pipvan] Im also thinking standard wheels with whitewalls as i just like the look[/quote] :thumbup:

Posted by: chrisbug91 - 28 November 2011 15:47:35
Nice, are you going to return it too stock hight? I think thats what it deserves :)

Posted by: vintagebug - 28 November 2011 16:02:32
[quote=pipvan]...its way to low for me so it has to come up... Im also thinking standard wheels with whitewalls as i just like the look[/quote] You'll be an instant hero on this forum if you do that! :smile:

Posted by: pipvan - 28 November 2011 17:01:06
Will be going back up to stock height as thats the only beam i have to put on, but eventually i think i will come down just a bit but we will see. I have read a few of the posts about lowering cars and i guess you lot are not keen:lol:. i do actually like the look but where i live its not practical you cant drive anywhere. My split is stock height and the 62 will be down just a bit aswell when its finished. Do any of you know the previous owners except freddie i know him now, im just going to look to try and retrieve alot of the cars history if i can. Also i have never bought any whitewalls before and i dont think they are easy to come by can anyone help out any links or contacts

Posted by: pipvan - 28 November 2011 17:01:06

Will be going back up to stock height as thats the only beam i have to put on, but eventually i think i will come down just a bit but we will see. I have read a few of the posts about lowering cars and i guess you lot are not keen:lol:. i do actually like the look but where i live its not practical you cant drive anywhere. My split is stock height and the 62 will be down just a bit aswell when its finished. Do any of you know the previous owners except freddie i know him now, im just going to look to try and retrieve alot of the cars history if i can. Also i have never bought any whitewalls before and i dont think they are easy to come by can anyone help out any links or contacts

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 28 November 2011 18:00:58
[quote=pipvan] Do any of you know the previous owners except freddie i know him now, im just going to look to try and retrieve alot of the cars history if i can. Also i have never bought any whitewalls before and i dont think they are easy to come by can anyone help out any links or contacts[/quote] [url]https://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/steve_parsons_oval.htm[/url] I don't have an up to date email address for Steve Parsons...might have some more pictures somewhere...I'll need to check my files. Edit: Can't find the original high res picture files but I did find Steve's phone number. PM me if you'd like it.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 28 November 2011 18:00:58

[quote=pipvan] Do any of you know the previous owners except freddie i know him now, im just going to look to try and retrieve alot of the cars history if i can. Also i have never bought any whitewalls before and i dont think they are easy to come by can anyone help out any links or contacts[/quote] [url]https://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/steve_parsons_oval.htm[/url] I don't have an up to date email address for Steve Parsons...might have some more pictures somewhere...I'll need to check my files. Edit: Can't find the original high res picture files but I did find Steve's phone number. PM me if you'd like it.

Posted by: beefykeefy - 28 November 2011 19:43:48
[quote=lifeintheslowlane][url]https://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/steve_parsons_oval.htm[/url] I don't have an up to date email address for Steve Parsons...might have some more pictures somewhere...I'll need to check my files. Edit: Can't find the original high res picture files but I did find Steve's phone number. PM me if you'd like it.[/quote] When you click the link, you can begin to appreciate this cars special history.... and then realise that what this freddie bloke has done is vandalism, thinly veiled in the name of fashion. Pipvan, I hope you return this car to stock height :beer:

Posted by: beefykeefy - 28 November 2011 19:43:48

[quote=lifeintheslowlane][url]https://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/steve_parsons_oval.htm[/url] I don't have an up to date email address for Steve Parsons...might have some more pictures somewhere...I'll need to check my files. Edit: Can't find the original high res picture files but I did find Steve's phone number. PM me if you'd like it.[/quote] When you click the link, you can begin to appreciate this cars special history.... and then realise that what this freddie bloke has done is vandalism, thinly veiled in the name of fashion. Pipvan, I hope you return this car to stock height :beer:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 28 November 2011 19:52:07
[quote=beefykeefy]When you click the link, you can begin to appreciate this cars special history.... and then realise that what this freddie bloke has done is vandalism, thinly veiled in the name of fashion. Pipvan, I hope you return this car to stock height :beer: [/quote] Yes the pictures were taken at Stonor in 2002...we'd convoyed up from Southampton. If anyone else has pictures from Stonor 2002 the car might be amongst them...it was up for concours judging.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 28 November 2011 19:52:07

[quote=beefykeefy]When you click the link, you can begin to appreciate this cars special history.... and then realise that what this freddie bloke has done is vandalism, thinly veiled in the name of fashion. Pipvan, I hope you return this car to stock height :beer: [/quote] Yes the pictures were taken at Stonor in 2002...we'd convoyed up from Southampton. If anyone else has pictures from Stonor 2002 the car might be amongst them...it was up for concours judging.

Posted by: chrisbug91 - 28 November 2011 20:01:46
I had no idea it was on the Isle of Wight, Im on the Island, when did it leave I never remember seeing it around.

Posted by: pipvan - 28 November 2011 20:31:25
Beefy, i think thats harsh to freddie it was his car he should be allowed to finish the car how he likes and he was a top guy, but everyone is entiltled to there own view. Thanks guys for the links and i love the look of the bug in them dont like the eye brow thingys but the whitewalls look awesome. I will PM you for steves number when i figure it out.

Posted by: vintagebug - 28 November 2011 20:55:14
[quote=pipvan]...Also i have never bought any whitewalls before and i dont think they are easy to come by can anyone help out any links or contacts[/quote] These places sell whitewalls. (A word of warning- be seated before you look at the prices!... :wink: ) https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/volkswagen-beetle-classic-tyres https://www.northhantstyres.com/index.html https://www.vintagetyres.com/links.asp :thumbup:

Posted by: vintagebug - 28 November 2011 20:55:14

[quote=pipvan]...Also i have never bought any whitewalls before and i dont think they are easy to come by can anyone help out any links or contacts[/quote] These places sell whitewalls. (A word of warning- be seated before you look at the prices!... :wink: ) https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/volkswagen-beetle-classic-tyres https://www.northhantstyres.com/index.html https://www.vintagetyres.com/links.asp :thumbup:

Posted by: pipvan - 28 November 2011 21:08:00
Cheers for links, what size tyre is ideal and off top of my head are wheels 15"

Posted by: pre67vw - 28 November 2011 21:13:59
Don't forget to try and get your discount from Vintage Tyres for being a pre67vw member... [quote]Hi rob, Yours is exactly the type of website we like to support. We would be happy to give all your members 5% discount and free UK mainland carriage. I drive an aircooled VW myself so am always pleased to help others.. and stock is always the way to go for me ;) Let me know if I can help with anything else – tyre pictures, information, fitting charts etc… Thanks Charlie Vintage Tyres[/quote]

Posted by: pre67vw - 28 November 2011 21:13:59

Don't forget to try and get your discount from Vintage Tyres for being a pre67vw member... [quote]Hi rob, Yours is exactly the type of website we like to support. We would be happy to give all your members 5% discount and free UK mainland carriage. I drive an aircooled VW myself so am always pleased to help others.. and stock is always the way to go for me ;) Let me know if I can help with anything else – tyre pictures, information, fitting charts etc… Thanks Charlie Vintage Tyres[/quote]

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 28 November 2011 22:13:10
[quote=pipvan]Beefy, i think thats harsh to freddie it was his car he should be allowed to finish the car how he likes and he was a top guy, but everyone is entiltled to there own view. Thanks guys for the links and i love the look of the bug in them dont like the eye brow thingys but the whitewalls look awesome. I will PM you for steves number when i figure it out. [/quote] You’re right of course, if you own a vehicle it is really up to you to do with it what you want, nobody can argue that. I’m sure Freddie is a top bloke too, but one thing that is difficult to quantify is the fine line between ownership and custodianship. When we buy or own something that is new, in current production or otherwise plentiful, there is no particular pressure to do with it anything other than exactly what we want, that’s because what we have is replaceable and whilst it may be valuable it has little or no intrinsic historical or cultural value. But any item, whether it be a car, a house, a piece of furniture or anything else that has outlasted its contemporaries, has a value that reaches beyond the fiscal, it’s history and story of survival means that ownership of it carries a responsibility to ensure that that story is given the opportunity to live on and grow. As we get older the concept of custodianship becomes easier to understand, faced with our own mortality we come to realise that things we know and love will outlast us and their true value is not measured in money, but in the story that they can tell about us to future generations. With that knowledge and understanding, respecting and preserving it becomes the obvious thing to do. I think this accounts for why many of the guys on here, myself included, frown when we see an old stock VW, a survivor, pass into the hands of someone who does with it something that detracts from it’s originality and in all likelihood will shorten it’s life. The oval you have bought is lucky to have found you, you’re going return it to stock height, respect it and maintain it and hopefully protect it from the elements. That way it will outlive all of us on this board and be able to continue telling it’s story a long time after we’ve all gone. That’s the difference between ownership and custodianship. :wink: Good luck with all you do to the car and keep us posted! Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 28 November 2011 22:13:10

[quote=pipvan]Beefy, i think thats harsh to freddie it was his car he should be allowed to finish the car how he likes and he was a top guy, but everyone is entiltled to there own view. Thanks guys for the links and i love the look of the bug in them dont like the eye brow thingys but the whitewalls look awesome. I will PM you for steves number when i figure it out. [/quote] You’re right of course, if you own a vehicle it is really up to you to do with it what you want, nobody can argue that. I’m sure Freddie is a top bloke too, but one thing that is difficult to quantify is the fine line between ownership and custodianship. When we buy or own something that is new, in current production or otherwise plentiful, there is no particular pressure to do with it anything other than exactly what we want, that’s because what we have is replaceable and whilst it may be valuable it has little or no intrinsic historical or cultural value. But any item, whether it be a car, a house, a piece of furniture or anything else that has outlasted its contemporaries, has a value that reaches beyond the fiscal, it’s history and story of survival means that ownership of it carries a responsibility to ensure that that story is given the opportunity to live on and grow. As we get older the concept of custodianship becomes easier to understand, faced with our own mortality we come to realise that things we know and love will outlast us and their true value is not measured in money, but in the story that they can tell about us to future generations. With that knowledge and understanding, respecting and preserving it becomes the obvious thing to do. I think this accounts for why many of the guys on here, myself included, frown when we see an old stock VW, a survivor, pass into the hands of someone who does with it something that detracts from it’s originality and in all likelihood will shorten it’s life. The oval you have bought is lucky to have found you, you’re going return it to stock height, respect it and maintain it and hopefully protect it from the elements. That way it will outlive all of us on this board and be able to continue telling it’s story a long time after we’ve all gone. That’s the difference between ownership and custodianship. :wink: Good luck with all you do to the car and keep us posted! Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: vintagebug - 28 November 2011 22:33:10
[quote=pipvan]Cheers for links, what size tyre is ideal and off top of my head are wheels 15"[/quote] Yes, wheels are 15". If it's complete originality you're after then 560-15 crossply tyres are the ones you want. If you prefer radials, then I believe it's 155R15. I think you can get away with 165R15, but the 155s are the standard fit. Personally, I'm a bit of a buffer, so it's crossplies for me. However, if you're planning on driving the car fairly regularly (eg more than just on the occasional nice sunny day) then the radials would be the safer choice. Thanks Rob, I'd forgotten about the 5% discount from Vintage Tyres! That's made me think- how about a "sticky" of a list of companies that offer a discount on their products to pre67-ers? Dave

Posted by: vintagebug - 28 November 2011 22:33:10

[quote=pipvan]Cheers for links, what size tyre is ideal and off top of my head are wheels 15"[/quote] Yes, wheels are 15". If it's complete originality you're after then 560-15 crossply tyres are the ones you want. If you prefer radials, then I believe it's 155R15. I think you can get away with 165R15, but the 155s are the standard fit. Personally, I'm a bit of a buffer, so it's crossplies for me. However, if you're planning on driving the car fairly regularly (eg more than just on the occasional nice sunny day) then the radials would be the safer choice. Thanks Rob, I'd forgotten about the 5% discount from Vintage Tyres! That's made me think- how about a "sticky" of a list of companies that offer a discount on their products to pre67-ers? Dave

Posted by: pipvan - 28 November 2011 23:51:54
Cheers guys, will be radials as its going to be my daily for a while, but it is going to be garaged and cared for i think i will be keeping this car for life and im going to preserve it and try and gather all its history.

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 29 November 2011 08:09:40
How about pushing for new legislation concerning vehicles of historical importance. Here's my take on it: [quote][i]Failure to obtain consent before altering a listed vehicle may result in a fine or even a term of imprisonment. Local authorities can also serve an enforcement notice in respect of unauthorised works requiring owners to restore the vehicle to its former state. These notices can also be enforced for works carried out by previous owners.[/i][/quote] I shall be talking to my MP shortly.:wink:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 29 November 2011 08:09:40

How about pushing for new legislation concerning vehicles of historical importance. Here's my take on it: [quote][i]Failure to obtain consent before altering a listed vehicle may result in a fine or even a term of imprisonment. Local authorities can also serve an enforcement notice in respect of unauthorised works requiring owners to restore the vehicle to its former state. These notices can also be enforced for works carried out by previous owners.[/i][/quote] I shall be talking to my MP shortly.:wink:

Posted by: RoRoVw - 29 November 2011 08:14:50

[quote=Mike Peckham]You’re right of course, if you own a vehicle it is really up to you to do with it what you want, nobody can argue that. I’m sure Freddie is a top bloke too, but one thing that is difficult to quantify is the fine line between ownership and custodianship. When we buy or own something that is new, in current production or otherwise plentiful, there is no particular pressure to do with it anything other than exactly what we want, that’s because what we have is replaceable and whilst it may be valuable it has little or no intrinsic historical or cultural value. But any item, whether it be a car, a house, a piece of furniture or anything else that has outlasted its contemporaries, has a value that reaches beyond the fiscal, it’s history and story of survival means that ownership of it carries a responsibility to ensure that that story is given the opportunity to live on and grow. As we get older the concept of custodianship becomes easier to understand, faced with our own mortality we come to realise that things we know and love will outlast us and their true value is not measured in money, but in the story that they can tell about us to future generations. With that knowledge and understanding, respecting and preserving it becomes the obvious thing to do. I think this accounts for why many of the guys on here, myself included, frown when we see an old stock VW, a survivor, pass into the hands of someone who does with it something that detracts from it’s originality and in all likelihood will shorten it’s life. The oval you have bought is lucky to have found you, you’re going return it to stock height, respect it and maintain it and hopefully protect it from the elements. That way it will outlive all of us on this board and be able to continue telling it’s story a long time after we’ve all gone. That’s the difference between ownership and custodianship. :wink: Good luck with all you do to the car and keep us posted! Mike :thumbup: [/quote] Mike - what you've said here is so true and you've expressed it perfectly. Anyone contemplating the purchase of a vintage Volkswagen (or vintage anything for that matter) should be asked to read your words first. Many thanks for sharing these thoughts. Rob :smile:

Posted by: beefykeefy - 29 November 2011 11:15:31

[quote=Mike Peckham]You’re right of course, if you own a vehicle it is really up to you to do with it what you want, nobody can argue that. I’m sure Freddie is a top bloke too, but one thing that is difficult to quantify is the fine line between ownership and custodianship. When we buy or own something that is new, in current production or otherwise plentiful, there is no particular pressure to do with it anything other than exactly what we want, that’s because what we have is replaceable and whilst it may be valuable it has little or no intrinsic historical or cultural value. But any item, whether it be a car, a house, a piece of furniture or anything else that has outlasted its contemporaries, has a value that reaches beyond the fiscal, it’s history and story of survival means that ownership of it carries a responsibility to ensure that that story is given the opportunity to live on and grow. As we get older the concept of custodianship becomes easier to understand, faced with our own mortality we come to realise that things we know and love will outlast us and their true value is not measured in money, but in the story that they can tell about us to future generations. With that knowledge and understanding, respecting and preserving it becomes the obvious thing to do. I think this accounts for why many of the guys on here, myself included, frown when we see an old stock VW, a survivor, pass into the hands of someone who does with it something that detracts from it’s originality and in all likelihood will shorten it’s life. The oval you have bought is lucky to have found you, you’re going return it to stock height, respect it and maintain it and hopefully protect it from the elements. That way it will outlive all of us on this board and be able to continue telling it’s story a long time after we’ve all gone. That’s the difference between ownership and custodianship. :wink: Good luck with all you do to the car and keep us posted! Mike :thumbup: [/quote] Spot on. I'm sure freddie is a top bloke and I wasn't personally attacking him. However, I disagree with the notion that because it's yours, you can just do whatever you like. If you had a listed property, you wouldn't destroy it's heritage by say, taking out the sliding sash windows, and fitting uPVC? Why should these cars be any different? Sometimes this seems done just for the sake of passing notoriety, but I guess at least what's been done is reversible and it sounds like you will return it to stock height. Good luck :beer:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 29 November 2011 11:41:32
[img]https://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/IMAGES/s-parsons-house.jpg[/img] The Internet can get a bit scary when you realise what Google Maps can reveal. Just found Steve's address in my files so out of curiosity I typed it in. Don't know how old the image is.

Posted by: pipvan - 29 November 2011 11:55:43
Christ that's a good spot but what the hell is it doing in the bush:lol:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 29 November 2011 12:24:16
[quote=pipvan]Christ that's a good spot but what the hell is it doing in the bush:lol: [/quote] This view better?..this one's from Google Earth, Street View. [img]https://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/IMAGES/s-parsons-house2.jpg[/img]

Posted by: pipvan - 29 November 2011 14:04:57
Its definitely in the bush cheers for the pix

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 29 November 2011 14:09:52
[quote=pipvan]Its definitely in the bush cheers for the pix[/quote] Nope...he was very fond of that car...it's behind the bush in his front garden.

Posted by: rudolf hucker - 29 November 2011 19:36:31
Mr Peckham..........................Well said Mrs Lifeinslowlane.................hmmm!.....I will be talking to my MP about a certain Charming Queer (Karmann Ghia) that has been modified without consent. I will not be visiting you in jail. Love Rudy

Posted by: freddie89 - 29 November 2011 19:46:29
Awesome pics. I am chuffed myself that it is being put back to stock height. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can do what ever they like to their car. The reason I sold the bug with its original beam untouched was for this reason exactly. Look forward to seeing it riding high again Phill :) Let me know if you wanna sell the front beam/tyres :thumbup: Freddie

Posted by: pre67vw - 29 November 2011 19:51:48
[quote=vintagebug] Thanks Rob, I'd forgotten about the 5% discount from Vintage Tyres! That's made me think- how about a "sticky" of a list of companies that offer a discount on their products to pre67-ers? [/quote] Done.

Posted by: rudolf hucker - 29 November 2011 20:09:37
Freddie I think that the reason most of the older members grumble about modifying (improving??)Beetles is that they remember the BIG mistakes they made when they were younger!!! I was reminded of this while looking at a re run of Top of the Pops 1970 ish on BBC4 the other evening........tragic. Do not be a fashion victim. Hind sight is a wonderful thing you know.

Posted by: vintagebug - 29 November 2011 20:19:21
[quote=pre67vw]Done.[/quote] Nice! Thanks Rob. Saves an old g*t like me struggling with his fading memory trying to recall who we can get those nice discounts from! Cheers.

Posted by: mrsherbie - 30 November 2011 20:45:50

when I saw the car for sale on vzi, I did'nt realise that it was TYY :x :thumbdn: That thread on plebzone as usual is full of idiots and naive vandalism. I hope its original owner never see's those pics, as if it was mine I would be really upset and having met him once or twice I am sure he would too. It is a lovely car that deserves far better. But good to see that it has moved on again so soon, so congrats to Pipvan :smile:

Posted by: pipvan - 01 December 2011 10:25:07
If you have met the origional owner would love any info please, im history chasing :d

Posted by: pipvan - 29 December 2011 11:29:13
Hi all been working hard on the oval and its now up in the air riding high and looking pretty, its not stock but its perfectly useable.

Posted by: pipvan - 29 December 2011 11:44:00
Hi all been working hard on the oval and its now up in the air riding high and looking pretty, its not stock but its perfectly useable. [img]https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii343/pipvan/P1020572.jpg[/img] [img]https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii343/pipvan/P1020573.jpg[/img]

Posted by: pipvan - 29 December 2011 11:45:07
not sure how to get the images to work Moderator Edit: corrected.:wink:

Posted by: lifeintheslowlane - 29 December 2011 12:04:20
[quote=pipvan]not sure how to get the images to work Moderator Edit: corrected.:wink: [/quote] Looks great now Pip:d ...did you get in contact with Steve?

Posted by: AW - 29 December 2011 14:02:50

[quote=pipvan]Hi all been working hard on the oval and its now up in the air riding high and looking pretty, its not stock but its perfectly useable. [img]https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii343/pipvan/P1020572.jpg[/img] [img]https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii343/pipvan/P1020573.jpg[/img][/quote] That looks a lot better how any body thinks this looks good i just dont understand!!! ( see photo below ) Andy W [ATTACH]6843[/Attach]

Posted by: RoRoVw - 29 December 2011 18:24:26
Looking great again for 2012. Well done and Happy New Year! :thumbup:

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 29 December 2011 19:42:39
That's a massive improvement. Well done!!

Posted by: pre67vw - 29 December 2011 19:45:00
[quote=pipvan]its not stock but its perfectly useable[/quote] Looks stock enough... :thumbup: very nice, although the tail lights look a bit high?

Posted by: Mike Peckham - 29 December 2011 21:58:08
That looks fantastic! Well done!! Mike :thumbup:

Posted by: chrisbug91 - 29 December 2011 22:29:14
Looks amazing, great work. Whats not stock about it?

Posted by: Old Blue - 30 December 2011 14:29:55
Certainly looks good.:beer: I hope that the underside has escaped damage and scrapes, Jon's lowered '56 has already collected a few. Sadly like the '56, most lowered cars are never as good as they were even when they are put back to stock. Some deep scrapes in the pan are almost impossible to get out.

Posted by: pipvan - 30 December 2011 15:52:55

Thanks, errrrm the tail lights have not moved and as far as i can tell they are origional rear wings and looking at the old pics i have of TYY there is no difference but i guess you guys will no more than i do about it. Not got in contact with Steve yet. Also its not stock height still has dropped spindles fitted at front but onto the origonal front beam that I re-furbished. The underside does have a couple of scrapes nothing bad just where the rear passenger footwell is on the passenger side and the front tyre well is shot at. All to be sorted soon. At the moment its beutiful to drive real nice ride and the engine runs sweet as a nut very happy and i will continue to improve as we go on. Eveything is going to be kept origional but im going to replace king and link pins and bushes things like that. Eventually when i have finished the 62 i will be completeing a full restoration and keep this old girl alive for a long time into the future

Posted by: GKL 7 - 30 December 2011 16:19:01
[quote=pipvan]Thanks, errrrm the tail lights have not moved and as far as i can tell they are origional rear wings and looking at the old pics i have of TYY there is no difference but i guess you guys will no more than i do about it.[/quote] To me,they do look high. This car is all original. [ATTACH]6845[/Attach]

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 30 December 2011 17:07:48
Tail lights are definitely too high, they are probably not original wings as the later wings have holes drilled higher for the later dual-section 1200 lights. I wouldn't worry about it though, I think the car looks just great!

Posted by: Old Blue - 31 December 2011 14:27:15

[quote=pipvan]Thanks, errrrm the tail lights have not moved and as far as i can tell they are origional rear wings and looking at the old pics i have of TYY there is no difference but i guess you guys will no more than i do about it. Not got in contact with Steve yet. Also its not stock height still has dropped spindles fitted at front but onto the origonal front beam that I re-furbished. The underside does have a couple of scrapes nothing bad just where the rear passenger footwell is on the passenger side and the front tyre well is shot at. All to be sorted soon. At the moment its beutiful to drive real nice ride and the engine runs sweet as a nut very happy and i will continue to improve as we go on. Eveything is going to be kept origional but im going to replace king and link pins and bushes things like that. Eventually when i have finished the 62 i will be completeing a full restoration and keep this old girl alive for a long time into the future[/quote] Rear lights look a little higher than on Jon's '56 oval. Sounds as though yours has suffered the same sort of spare wheel damage. The bonnet is tight to shut with the spare in.

Posted by: pipvan - 02 January 2012 21:33:30
Bonnet shuts fine just the bottom that's shot at

Posted by: Robb - 07 July 2012 21:10:32
any updates?

Posted by: pipvan - 28 August 2012 10:56:08

hi TYY still going strong she is my daily driver just had new wheel bearings all round full sevice and a good polish took her to GOTH at the weekend got alot of attention and she made the journey no problems at all. Possibly going to pull her off the road this winter and put her away til next year and then i think i will start a full resto on her, at the moment she needs a driver side heater channel and the front tyre well sorting, the origional pans still in great condition. I am getting a little bit of water every now and then under the passenger side rear mat, not yet traced the leak but im guessing the rear side window and the water is running down the inside of the door cards and into the lowest point.

Posted by: chrisbug91 - 23 April 2013 18:18:38
Just found a photo of your Oval when it was still on the Isle of Wight - [URL=https://s1058.photobucket.com/user/chrisbug91/media/19701300Beetle_zps76b05844.jpg.html][IMG]https://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t404/chrisbug91/19701300Beetle_zps76b05844.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

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