Posted by: pbaptist - 11 August 2010 19:44:48
Beutler first built the 6 Gmünd cars in 1948-49, During the period between 1953-1958 Beutler build 28? VW based 4-seats cars. From 1958-1962 Beutler build six 4-seater 356 Coupes and one Cabriolet. For the porsche cars: https://www.typ356.de/beutler Here is an overview of 7 remaining VW based Beutlers 4 seaters. [b]7 * Beutler VW[/b] 1953, First Beutler convertible made. Located in Germany [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_15569.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_dyn002original1061711pjpeg25e24ab2720141c0a9fc6ad6a85a26ac.jpg[/img] 1957 Coupe Brown located in Germany (VW museum) [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_254628.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_15.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_266.jpg[/img] 1958 Coupe Yellow, Located in US [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_1544410977b967d47144.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_154441136325d64215cdb.jpg[/img] 1958 Coupe Red, Located in Swiss [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_pic815.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_pqdcc6i.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_p6250078.jpg[/img] 195? Located in the US. was painted silver-blue in the late 90th [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_bc82loqbgkkgrhquokj0eq5hnvwpbk2zurskl12.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_176424.jpg[/img] 1954 Found picture in IVVM VOL 5, nr2 as Alain Veillemier his 1954 Beutler. Is this car one of the others? Who has better pictures and were is it located now? [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_alainveillemeier.jpg[/img] 1955 Picture from the same IVVM issue. This lightblue car was last seen in Chateau d' Oex in Swiss around 1995?, now located in London. Who has better pictures of this car? [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_blueinlondon.jpg[/img] [b]3 * Beutler Pick-up[/b] [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_170766.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_beutlerpickup.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_355870.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_294239.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/thumb_422_82814.jpg[/img] For info about Beutler Porsche see: [url]https://www.typ356.de/beutler/[/url]

Posted by: SplitPersonality - 17 August 2010 08:35:53
There are a few more.. soem off the top of my head: 1: Paolo's red one, ex-Mr Beutler and winner at HO two times ago... and 2: The silver-blue one that went from Mr Herrlin to Blue Nelson about 10 years ago.. I guess it is still hiding in Blue's father's hangar..

Posted by: JD - 17 August 2010 09:08:09
The red pick up is not a Beutler - it´s a Fischer. Search for Fischer on the forum.

Posted by: pbaptist - 17 August 2010 12:37:49
[quote=SplitPersonality]There are a few more.. soem off the top of my head: 1: Paolo's red one, ex-Mr Beutler and winner at HO two times ago... and 2: The silver-blue one that went from Mr Herrlin to Blue Nelson about 10 years ago.. I guess it is still hiding in Blue's father's hangar..[/quote] Hi olstein, Is this the silver Beutler that Blue Nelson has now? [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_bc82loqbgkkgrhquokj0eq5hnvwpbk2zurskl12.jpg[/img] Do you know if there are two red ones. If have seen pictures of Red Beutler's with different licence plates, but thought it was all the same car. regards patrick

Posted by: pbaptist - 17 August 2010 12:45:50
[quote=JD]The red pick up is not a Beutler - it´s a Fischer. Search for Fischer on the forum.[/quote] Thanks, I didn't knwo that. I will move the car from the Beutler overview to the other overview. What about the grey one? Is that one original?? Patrick

Posted by: JD - 17 August 2010 13:15:57
[quote=pbaptist]Thanks, I didn't knwo that. I will move the car from the Beutler overview to the other overview. What about the grey one? Is that one original?? Patrick[/quote] I´ve no idea, sorry. I only know about the red car as it belonged to a friend.

Posted by: SplitPersonality - 18 August 2010 11:10:25
[quote=pbaptist] Do you know if there are two red ones. If have seen pictures of Red Beutler's with different licence plates, but thought it was all the same car. [/quote] There is indeed two red ones in Switzerland... They used to belong to two brothers, but the later one - the one you pictured - (the very last VW-Beutler ever made - all Porsche components) have recently been sold. The one on the right is ex-Mr Beutler's personal car, recent winner in Hessisch and belongs to the one and only - Paolo - world authority on Beutlers. [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/715248.jpg[/img]

Posted by: SplitPersonality - 18 August 2010 11:18:27
[quote=pbaptist]Hi olstein, Is this the silver Beutler that Blue Nelson has now? [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_bc82loqbgkkgrhquokj0eq5hnvwpbk2zurskl12.jpg[/img] [/quote] It might very well be - I have not seen that picture before. It was on the East Coast for a long time - ended up in Mr Herlin's collection. Was then an older restoration and all silver. In mid-90-ies traded against a Beeskow to Blue (too many details surrounding that deal)... Blue drove it cross country out to California, added blue scalloops on it and took it to a couple of shows... I am not sure who owns it and/or where it is hiding these days. A couple of pictures from the early 2000s: [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/715249.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/715250.jpg[/img]

Posted by: pbaptist - 18 August 2010 21:54:15
[quote=SplitPersonality]There is indeed two red ones in Switzerland... They used to belong to two brothers, but the later one - the one you pictured - (the very last VW-Beutler ever made - all Porsche components) have recently been sold. The one on the right is ex-Mr Beutler's personal car, recent winner in Hessisch and belongs to the one and only - Paolo - world authority on Beutlers. [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/715248.jpg[/img][/quote] I know there is also the red Porsche 356B Beutler that is/was for sale recently, but that was not the one I showed in the pictures. I have pictures of a red VW beutler with 4 different licence plates, but still think this is all the same car. (with sunroof, and white fog lights) [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_be2502.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_pqdcc6i.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_beutlerseries11.jpg[/img] This pictures come form the Hessisch show (licence plate TI 7855) [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_p6250078.jpg[/img][img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_pic815.jpg[/img]

Posted by: pbaptist - 18 August 2010 22:17:11
[quote=SplitPersonality]It might very well be - I have not seen that picture before. It was on the East Coast for a long time - ended up in Mr Herlin's collection. Was then an older restoration and all silver. In mid-90-ies traded against a Beeskow to Blue (too many details surrounding that deal)... Blue drove it cross country out to California, added blue scalloops on it and took it to a couple of shows... I am not sure who owns it and/or where it is hiding these days. A couple of pictures from the early 2000s: [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/715249.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/715250.jpg[/img][/quote] I found an other picture of this car. It really looks great. Now I also want one. (I have a Okrasa powered lowlight vert for trade!! :d ) [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_176424.jpg[/img]

Posted by: paoton - 31 August 2010 18:52:13
Well the red car is mine, and - as Splitpersonality said - it's only one! The number plate BE 2502 was the private one of Mr. Beutler himself, the number BE 824U was the garage plate of the carosserie Beutler back in the 70ies/80ies. The two different plates TI 7855 and TI 99102 belong both to me and were on the car in 2 different periods. I'm not James Bond, the number plate here in Switzerland is personal and not related to the car. So if you drive 100 cars over 50 years, all these cars are gonna have the same number. I think that there are some further, not yet known cars, at least 2. Mine isn't a 1954, as reported, but a 1958 (like the yellow one - that's why they are so similar, except for the tail and the dashboard) [ATTACH]4862[/Attach]

Posted by: zelensis61 - 31 August 2010 19:00:45
Hello, Paoton. Welcome to the show...Great you find your way here. Greetings. Peter

Posted by: pbaptist - 01 September 2010 20:48:48
[quote=paoton]Well the red car is mine, and - as Splitpersonality said - it's only one! The number plate BE 2502 was the private one of Mr. Beutler himself, the number BE 824U was the garage plate of the carosserie Beutler back in the 70ies/80ies. The two different plates TI 7855 and TI 99102 belong both to me and were on the car in 2 different periods. I'm not James Bond, the number plate here in Switzerland is personal and not related to the car. So if you drive 100 cars over 50 years, all these cars are gonna have the same number. I think that there are some further, not yet known cars, at least 2. Mine isn't a 1954, as reported, but a 1958 (like the yellow one - that's why they are so similar, except for the tail and the dashboard)[/quote] Hallo Paolo, Thanks for joining this topic about the Beutler cars. As Oystein writes you are the world authority on Beutlers. Can you confirm the production figure of 28 VW Beutlers made? regards Patrick

Posted by: heb623 - 01 September 2010 21:33:27
What a mistake to make!!!:shock: :twisted: ET

Posted by: heb623 - 01 September 2010 21:34:31
Twice!!! :twisted: ET

Posted by: JD - 02 September 2010 09:31:28
[quote=heb623]Hello JD? where do you get that wisdom? I know the owner and I know the story about that car and all I can say:It is a Beutler!:shock: :twisted: ET[/quote] This is the blog of my friend, who (I assume) your friend bought it from. https://krautspeed.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&max-results=12

Posted by: pbaptist - 05 September 2010 19:44:26
Not VW but it is Beutler related, I find this ad today. Seems like Beutler also make special cars based on the porsche 944. They call it the Porsche 944 SaCA (Safety Cabriolet) Has anybody seen this before? [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/422_beutlerporsche944.jpg[/img] regards Patrick

Posted by: heb623 - 06 September 2010 06:53:09
You are wright and I am wrong!!!:oops: Just shoot me!!! :shock: Not really!!![-x :twisted: ET

Posted by: JD - 06 September 2010 09:27:18
[quote=heb623] Just shoot me!!! :shock: [/quote] Ok, just a little. :lol:

Posted by: vintagevw - 06 September 2010 22:00:21
Hm, I know this garage very well! ;-) :beer:

Posted by: pbaptist - 24 November 2010 20:54:00
Eric posted some pictures on thesamba from the silver-blue Beutler after a 3000 miles journey back in the mid 1990s. I would like to share there here in this forum as well: [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/747067.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/747116.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/747233.jpg[/img]

Posted by: overrestored - 25 November 2010 06:59:14
[quote=pbaptist]Eric posted some pictures on thesamba from the silver-blue Beutler after a 3000 miles journey back in the 80th. [/quote] If you're gonna swipe my photos without asking.... at least get the dates right! It wasn't the 80's... it was the mid 1990's

Posted by: pbaptist - 25 November 2010 21:30:35
[quote=overrestored]If you're gonna swipe my photos without asking.... at least get the dates right! It wasn't the 80's... it was the mid 1990's[/quote] Hi Eric, Sorry about that. I now changed it to the mid 1990's

Posted by: overrestored - 27 November 2010 19:05:20
[quote=pbaptist]Hi Eric, Sorry about that. I now changed it to the mid 1990's[/quote] muy bien, Gracias. Erico

Posted by: pbaptist - 25 January 2011 21:27:33
Here are some color pictures of two Beutlers from the Volkswagen Beetle Coachbuild and Cabriolets book from Keith Seume & Bob Shall. I know were the blue one is, but who can help me with tracing the white car that used to belong to Alain Vuileumier in the 80th. Were is this car now? [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/431_alainveillemeier2800.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.kglowlightregistry.com/images/listing_photos/431_untitled7800.jpg[/img] Regards Patrick

Posted by: pbaptist - 26 February 2011 13:59:55
Björn Schewe posted two pictures of a late style Beutler on thesamba. It looks like we can add a new car to the survivors list as this car was not shown before. That makes the list to 8 cars [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/778320.jpg[/img] [img]https://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/778321.jpg[/img] Regards Patrick

Posted by: zelensis61 - 26 February 2011 15:08:48
Nice car but I think this one is not a VW drivetrain. I asume the engine is in front. I do not see air intakes in the back. Anyone knows? Maybe bjoern.

Posted by: zelensis - 26 February 2011 18:52:30
probably a simca drivetrain. [img]https://www.cartype.com/pics/3274/full/beutler_catalog_58.jpg[/img]

Posted by: pbaptist - 27 February 2011 11:03:23
Hi Peter You are right, this is not a VW based Beutler, it is a Simca Regards Patrick

Posted by: zelensis61 - 14 July 2013 19:50:50
Patrick, do you know the black split beutler pick up from VW, the one with the sunroof? It was in Essen 2 years ago. I think I have a pict somewhere...just need to find where:roll:

Posted by: pbaptist - 27 October 2013 16:04:09
[quote=zelensis61;56461]Patrick, do you know the black split beutler pick up from VW, the one with the sunroof? It was in Essen 2 years ago. I think I have a pict somewhere...just need to find where:roll: [/quote] He Peter, I have not been here for awale. Yes, I know that car. Is it confirmed to be a real Beutler build VW pick-up? I have pictures of other "VW Beutler Pick-ups", but have difficulty to know what is real and what is self made Here some pictures: [ATTACH]8445[/Attach] [ATTACH]8446[/Attach] [ATTACH]8447[/Attach] [ATTACH]8448[/Attach] [ATTACH]8449[/Attach]

Posted by: zelensis61 - 28 October 2013 08:06:45
The black one is real, the green one is an oval and was seen long time ago at Raoul's hallen next to his Pick up. The red one was for sale some time agon on Ebay. It was not listed as a beutler but another conversion, localy made if I remember well. The grey one was a replica I think. Anyone else with info on these? :thumbup:

Posted by: pbaptist - 28 October 2013 19:25:59
[quote=zelensis61;57503]The black one is real, the green one is an oval and was seen long time ago at Raoul's hallen next to his Pick up. The red one was for sale some time agon on Ebay. It was not listed as a beutler but another conversion, localy made if I remember well. The grey one was a replica I think. Anyone else with info on these? :thumbup: [/quote] Hi Peter This is good info. I will add the black one to my overview and hope other people can add some info on the green and grey one. Patrick

Posted by: pbaptist - 07 November 2013 19:23:56
What about this one. real or replica? [ATTACH]8488[/Attach]

Posted by: AW - 07 November 2013 19:50:10
What about this one. [ATTACH]8489[/Attach] [ATTACH]8490[/Attach]

Posted by: heb623 - 08 November 2013 10:53:25
[quote=pbaptist;57668]What about this one. real or replica? [/quote] Is that not a Meeussen owned by a Belgian guy? :twisted:ET [ATTACH]8491[/Attach]

Posted by: zelensis61 - 08 November 2013 17:38:54
[quote=pbaptist;57668]What about this one. real or replica? [/quote] Not a Beutler and not a Meeusen, One Off in hands of Geoffrey Spitaels Belgium. The second one is also a one off....probably central or south America, not sure.

Posted by: pbaptist - 09 November 2013 20:14:12
[quote=zelensis61;57674]Not a Beutler and not a Meeusen, One Off in hands of Geoffrey Spitaels Belgium. The second one is also a one off....probably central or south America, not sure. [/quote] Thank you

Posted by: zelensis61 - 02 July 2015 17:06:26
[quote=JD;38014]The red pick up is not a Beutler - it´s a Fischer. Search for Fischer on the forum.[/quote] Picking up an older thread...; JD, if you are around. I want to find out more about the Fischer pick up as someone asked me on that one ? Can you or someone else give extra light about its origine? Thanks.

Posted by: JD - 03 July 2015 13:23:28
[quote=zelensis61;60419]Picking up an older thread...; JD, if you are around. I want to find out more about the Fischer pick up as someone asked me on that one ? Can you or someone else give extra light about its origine? Thanks. [/quote] It belonged to my friend Andreas Augenstein (Adde), who is one of the guys who make a the Steiner Rad wheels. I saw him at Bad Camberg, so i could have asked him. Don't know how much more he knows about it than what was on his blog though.

Posted by: zelensis61 - 04 July 2015 08:28:28
[quote=JD;60422]It belonged to my friend Andreas Augenstein (Adde), who is one of the guys who make a the Steiner Rad wheels. I saw him at Bad Camberg, so i could have asked him. Don't know how much more he knows about it than what was on his blog though.[/quote] Thanks JD. Another lead to that car that is now in hands from a friend in Belgium... ;-) recently bought. The search goes on to FISCHER and who made it. It is for sure a Swiss made car.

Posted by: JD - 04 July 2015 09:43:41
[quote=zelensis61;60423]Thanks JD. Another lead to that car that is now in hands from a friend in Belgium... ;-) recently bought. The search goes on to FISCHER and who made it. It is for sure a Swiss made car. [/quote] He´s on FB if you want to ask him directly, I can put you in touch.

Posted by: zelensis61 - 05 July 2015 08:20:33
[quote=JD;60424]He´s on FB if you want to ask him directly, I can put you in touch.[/quote] Yes, please... I am in with peter schepens, and a heb logo with brown background. ;-) Edit: FOUND him . It is ok JD. :beer: