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Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

Wow - an amazing discovery!

My steering box is leaking from the top seal... :rofl: Needed a good laugh!

Right then... where am I going to get a new upper seal where the actual steering column shaft comes out the top?

Status say they're obsolete.
KK don't sell them but can re-con the entire box for £250 + VAT

Anyone done this and found a source for seals?

Strangely, the lower seal is fine.

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Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#842

Quiet round here at the moment.....

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GKL 7
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#843

Anyone done this and found a source for seals?

Last Triumph wrote:

Last time i tried,i couldn't obtain one.
If you find a supplier please be sure to let us know.

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#844

Last time i tried,i couldn't obtain one.
If you find a supplier please be sure to let us know.

'50 Karmann wrote:

Challenge accepted.... I'll find one and when I do, I'll buy every single one they have!

:drool:

I simply don't believe that somewhere, in some other industrial application, somewhere in the history of engineering, the same size seal has not been used elsewhere...

Anyone know the actual size..? I've got the dimensions for the bottom seal, just not the top one.

I'll strip it all down tonight and report my findings.

Any chance it's just the shaft gone rusty with it standing and a good polish will resurect it's sealing contact with the seal lip?

:unsure:

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54 Gertie
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#845

Having never had one apart, I dont know, but is it just a big rubber O-ring you need?

Halfords do packs of different sized ones. Or is it more like the rear axel seals?

William

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#846

Having never had one apart, I dont know, but is it just a big rubber O-ring you need?

Halfords do packs of different sized ones. Or is it more like the rear axel seals?

54 Gertie wrote:

No - look on the Status website - it's a proper, specific square section seal, similar in proportion to a skateboard wheel bearing etc.

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54 Gertie
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#847

This?

Cant get an idea of size, guessing the internal diameter is about the size of a one penny coin?

William

54 Gertie
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#848

Vewib do a later seal, maybe see if that could be modified/hacked to work?

https://vewib.de/cms/website.php?id=/en/index.htm

William

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#849

Vewib do a later seal, maybe see if that could be modified/hacked to work?

https://vewib.de/cms/website.php?id=/en/index.htm

54 Gertie wrote:

Different size I'm told... :cry:

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GKL 7
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#850

hacked to work?

54 Gertie wrote:

Reading thru' this thread, LT doesn't do hacked.

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

54 Gertie
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#851

Reading thru' this thread, LT doesn't do hacked.

'50 Karmann wrote:

By hacked, I meant accurately machined to the minutest of tolerances. :thumbdn:

William

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#852

Reading thru' this thread, LT doesn't do hacked.

'50 Karmann wrote:

Excuse me whilst I go for a lie down... :cry:

I'll find some secret stash of seals then go into business rebuilding early steering boxes...

That's today's plan.

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fpr936e
Regular

13 years ago

#853

Hey Andy,

Post me the dimensions and I'll have a look. I'm thinking down under Australia with their pre assembled KD (Knock Down) factories. Possible that info stays local down there.
The other is eastern block as they still do truly amazing things there like this AC Cobra factory in an old MIG factory

This is an anniversary special that became a rare, one-of-one sample. Kirkham Motorsports wanted to celebrate their years in the restoration and authentic car replica business that they decided to make a dozen of these copper-bodied Shelby Cobras. The plan never came to fruition though and only one unit was made. And it’s now available for sale. The car has a rolling chassis so you can choose your engine and transmission according to your budget or taste. Or you can buy the car as is and use it as a beautiful decor, which is less than ideal since this is a car built for running fast. $110,000.

I am sure that we can find some seals :)

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Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#854

Good stuff.

I'll strip the seal out and measure it, then report what I find...

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Dakota
Regular

13 years ago

#855

Hi Mr Triumph
you could try Roger Bray in Exeter as up to 1957 the 356 Porsche used mildly tweaked VW steering boxes, failing that there is NLA in the 'States I don't have an address but try Googling it, they have a large range of 356 parts, meanwhile have you made sure the box isn't just over filled as it seems a bit odd its coming out the top, and you obmitted to mention pinching up the horse shoe clip on the handbrake lever, best of luck Bill.

cupa65
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#856

Will Seal mind?

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#857

Hi Mr Triumph
you could try Roger Bray in Exeter as up to 1957 the 356 Porsche used mildly tweaked VW steering boxes, failing that there is NLA in the 'States I don't have an address but try Googling it, they have a large range of 356 parts, meanwhile have you made sure the box isn't just over filled as it seems a bit odd its coming out the top, and you obmitted to mention pinching up the horse shoe clip on the handbrake lever, best of luck Bill.

Dakota wrote:

Yep - I did remember to pinch up the horseshoes! :oops:

Just stripped down the steering box - it's like new in there! It wasn't over filled.
The upper seal is actually below the fill level believe it or not so can easily leak.

Amazingly, it't a weird kind of seal that looks like a bearing on the outside, but has a fury fibre type affair to seal against the steering shaft and that;s where it was leaking from.

I've got a ton of photo's of it all, but they'll have to wait until tomorrow as I need to get to bed.

Thanks all - I'll find a way, I always do! :thumbup:

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Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#858

Early >'60 steering box upper seals located and ordered....

:drool:

:thumbup:

:rofl:

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Rich Oakley
pre67vw Junkie

13 years ago

#859

Early >'60 steering box upper seals located and ordered....

:drool:

:thumbup:

:rofl:

Last Triumph wrote:

Excellent. I think I'll take one if you're selling them.

47 Beetle, 56 UK Karmann Cabriolet, 56 UK Beetle, 57 UK Type 2, 59 UK Beetle, 66 UK Fastback.

Last Triumph
pre67vw Junkie Topic Starter

13 years ago

#860

Excellent. I think I'll take one if you're selling them.

Rich Oakley wrote:

They're not original ones Rich - as the original one is just a pressed tin cup with a felt/fibre collar inserted in and generally a fairly poor effort, but I guess at that small size, proper lip seals were not avaialbe that small.

These are a nitrile NBR lip seal and shoul be perfect for the job.

Took some serious phoning round and net research to get the size, but I found an old stash and bought the lot.

Once I've fitted it and made sure it's ok I'l work out what to do with the rest... but there's one with your name on already my friend.

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

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